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Is Hip-Hop True to Dr. King's Legacy? 
Published Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:32 PM
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By Odeisel

Legacy. Something handed down from the past for the benefit of the future. Never has there been a more precious gift than a life laid down so that others may enjoy liberties you were denied. Such is the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. As we near what would have been Dr. King’s 79th birthday, we as a Hip-Hop community should truly reflect on what a gift that legacy was, and answer the loaded question: “Are we living up to the challenge of continuing that legacy?” The central question, I suppose, is are we leaving our culture in a better position to be a vehicle of change for those that come after us? Or are we leeching the culture leaving a useless husk in its wake?

Hip-Hop has proved to be our salvation in many ways. Jim Crow has been replaced by the glass ceiling. The noose and the flaming cross have been replaced with media assassination, bathroom plungers and bullets from blue clad soldiers who fear wallets. Hip-Hop has become the voice of our community where the Black Church once stood. The voice of Jay-Z, who calls himself Jay Hova, resonates louder in the minds of children than Jehovah. We rage against the machine with a voice that is changing the globe. Hip-Hop is the greatest agent of cultural diffusion this planet has ever seen. Faster than the Crusades. More powerful than sports. Able to have children of all races refer to each other as ni**as in a single bound. But is that a good thing? Does the newest integration allow for us to continue our struggle for advancement?

Hip-Hop has moved our young men off the corners and into the booth. Off the block and into the boardroom. From reporting to P.O.'s to being CEO's. Unfortunately many have ushered in that criminal element with them rather than truly convert their lives for the better. The “keep it real kingdom” has gotten increasingly more violent and negative since we lost our own Malcolm and Martin (Shakur and Wallace) almost a decade ago. While we keep them alive with posthumous albums, we’ve done a horrible job understanding the mistakes they made, and that we all made as a community profiting off the negativity. Life ain’t sweet. We know this. The music is gritty. The business is slimy. But it’s nothing to die for.

As Dr. King attempted to ensure our continued devotion to the ideals of our collective struggle with his legacy of sacrifice, so must we as a Hip-Hop community make sure that it will continue to be our voice, and our source for economic, political, and social advancement. For better or worse, Hip-Hop is how many people worldwide with no experience with people of color to see Black America. Not all of us are comfortable with that connection, especially the older generation, whose connection with our music and lifestyle adversely relates to their age. The older they are, the less likely they are to roll. So we arrive at a point in our history, where we are pitted against each other, for the favor of the collective, much as Dr. King faced opposition from the younger, more aggressive leadership of the SNCC.

Both hoping for the same goals, Dr. King was more willing to negotiate, the young college driven SNCC leadership impatient and ready for change now, were unwilling to bend or compromise. Because of Hip-Hop, Russell can navigate corporate America in his omnipresent Phat Farm, devoid of suit and tie. We can make deals and money outside of the system.

This is the freedom that we have sought for so long and some would say we are blowing it. However as judged by Kool Herc's recent stand with Senator Chuck
Shumer,

 



defending the homes and right to ownership of the tenants of Hip-Hop's birthplace, we are not sitting on our asses. Outkast said "get up get out and get something" and that's exactly what we did, as Hip-Hoppers raised their collective consciousness in light of the Hurricane Katrina  disaster, and the judicial inequality showcased in the Jena 6 incident. Our reality is ugly, and even though we camoflage it with bling, the pain and poverty that powers our music is true to the soul and message of Dr. King. Rappers like David Banner and Immortal Technique ARE speaking up. They are taking a responsible role in presenting these issues to our youth and to the world.

 

Often we forget in our haste to make history,the appreciation of the legacy of our past history. We stand on the shoulders of giants whose names we can’t remember, or choose to forget. Pioneers who dealt with ridicule and resistance when the world was “taking rappin for a joke.” It is that same spirit that ran through Dr. King. The attempt to face violence with peace did not necessarily seem pragmatic on face value.  But whether or not you agree with the approach, the willingness to bring truth to the masses in the face of ridicule is congruous with the true spirit of Hip-Hop.

 

 

We should honor that legacy and that sacrifice, even while we cover it with ice.  Let's make a true effort to honor that legacy. Restore that balance of Yin Yang, and leave this better than we found it. For the respect of our forbears, and the survival of those that come after us, let us keep Hip-Hop true to the essence of Dr. King’s spirit, and not some phantom phrase cooked up to politicize the man’s life.

We are living the results.


Comments

 

SAxlerod said:

MLK is flipping in his grave. There are some conscious (i.e. Common, 2Bizzy MC, and others) who aren't in the media because of that. Many have to switch music styles if they want to compete in the music industry. Money is the common influx here. The true ballers in charge of the music business know exactly what they want and that is money! Racism is still around and that will never end. MLK is slowing slipping away and his icon status is also fading......

RIP and happy birthday, MLK!
SAxlerod
http://www.myspace.com/SAxlerod
January 20, 2008 10:42 PM
 

edit said:

QUOTE:

The “keep it real kingdom” has gotten increasingly more violent and negative since we lost our own Malcolm and Martin (Shakur and Wallace) almost a decade ago.

END QUOTE.


Thats for real man.   Damn, strong article. Much respect.


http://www.lilweezy.info
January 20, 2008 10:45 PM
 

nantambu said:

King was and is the truth, we are the Dream!! The Hip Hop nation, however we should be more responsible with or power. Check out the Boondocks episode that features MLK, as if he were alive today. Very  Funny episode
Peace and Love
Nantambu
January 20, 2008 11:26 PM
 

DSheezy said:

ABOUT THE ONLY THAT HIP HOP DOES ON A CONSISTANT BASIS TO HONOR MLK'S LEGACY IS TO USE THE ITS MUSIC AND THE FREEDOM OF SPEACH AS A MINORITIES. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A HANDFUL OF RAPPERS LIKE MOS DEF, COMMON AND FEW OTHERS HIP HOP CONTINUES TO BE ITS OWN WORST ENEMY.
January 20, 2008 11:46 PM
 

MAK™ said:

HIS LAST SPEECH WAS CHILLING.. IT'S FUNNY I JUST MADE AN AVATAR AN HOUR AGO AND THEN THIS ARTICLE COMES UP.... WOW!

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE TITLE... NOPE!

-MAK-
January 21, 2008 12:14 AM
 

MAK™ said:

HIS LAST SPEECH WAS CHILLING.. IT'S FUNNY I JUST MADE AN AVATAR AN HOUR AGO AND THEN THIS ARTICLE COMES UP.... WOW!

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE TITLE... NOPE!

-MAK-
January 21, 2008 12:14 AM
 

nercity07 said:

"has gotten increasingly more violent and negative since we lost our own Malcolm and Martin (Shakur and Wallace) almost a decade ago. "

That line right there is so full of bullshit. No disrespect to the fallen lives of Christopher Wallace & Tupac Shakur, but to compair those two men to Malcolm X & Martin Luther King Jr. is sooooooooo f**kin' crazy we have lost "The Dream" and as black people will grasp for anybody in our community (Mostly Hip Hop Community) as a leader.

Tupac & Biggie were not leaders but talented wordsmyths and opportunist (sp)..they both had potential........but you can't say what "They could have been" and compair it to what Martin & Malcolm did do.

January 21, 2008 12:17 AM
 

Ken_P said:

hip hop sucks but i still love it. i could never turn my back on my first love. i admit, alot of it is degrading and isnt doing anything to uplift our people. but we so dumb, we go out and buy the shit anyway. in the words of charlie murphy "we gotta do betta!"
January 21, 2008 12:59 AM
 

Don Blake said:

they were dominant personalities in the same movement on opposite approaches.  its an analogy.  when king and x left the landscape there was a vacuum for the most part even though you have the occasional farakhan, jesse .  it sounds good but it aint THAT.  so i dont think they saying they were leaders but those galvanizing personalities
January 21, 2008 1:08 AM
 

Dank1 said:

There will never be any more "saints" like King or Malcolm or John or Robert Kennedy everyone of those guys would have been picked to pieces by todays media all of them had there faults and bad habits which in no way affected the amount of good they were able to do in the world but given the way that the media looks to tare apart everyone in the public eye and the absolute elimination of all of famous peoples privacy with the inventions of the last 40 some years since the 4 men i mentioned above were around no one will ever have a chance to make a difference and move people the way that they did
January 21, 2008 1:20 AM
 

MaryJanesHusband said:

Hip Hop is not living up to King's legacy but let's not forget that its just music/entertainment. Just like rock, pop and other forms of music there will be a few people who have something important to say and will write songs with the intent of getting a message across but for the most part people are getting into the music business to make money, get girls and live the party life. Rappers are not required to provide a positive message to the people but my opinion is that there should be more mc's who use there power in a positive manner. Even if their songs are on some gangsta shit...take some of that money you make and instead of buying a 350,000 Bentley, and a 100,000 necklace do something that will help change people's lives...organize some positive events for the community, start a foundation to help people.

With that said, when it comes down to it the people need to WAKE UP! Music is not to blame for crime, unemployment, and poverty. Too many people just don't care. Everybody wants to hate on each other and blame other people for their situation. I will admit that in the hood things are pretty much set up for people to fail....not enough good paying jobs, terrible school system, drugs and so on. But you know what? If your life is fucked up it's probably your fault.

The power of MLK and Malcolm was that they inspired people to stand up and make a difference...they didn't create change all by themselves. They had huge organizations behind them and got people to stand up and give a damn about what was going on. They used the media to get their message out, spoke out against injustice got involved in politics and demanded that things change. Nowadays, it seems everybody is too involved playing XBox, glued to the television, on the internet, hustlin and so on and so forth. If we all put forth some effort King's dreams could still be realized but if we sit back an continue to be pacified by the media and all the bullshit they put out to keep us distracted nothing will change it will only get worse. Stand up and get involved. -Peace



Obama '08

January 21, 2008 2:16 AM
 

SPATE Magazine All Day said:

I appreciate all of Dr. Kings contributions to society. We would not be in the position we are today without him. Love MLK.

http://www.spatemag.com
SPATE MAGAZINE
January 21, 2008 5:16 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

DR. King moved mountains for everyone, not jst blacks, but also whites, because ov wot he done, He changed the mind set of a new generation and society of white people to accept every colour of people which led them to teach their kids not be prejudice. I defo feel that DR. King would not be appreciating IGNORANT hip hop, no way. Altho its evident racism iz still alive.

R.I.P DR. King
January 21, 2008 6:19 AM
 

chuckwaters said:

I wonder what Don Imus thinks?
January 21, 2008 8:07 AM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

Peace To All,

black people as a whole arent true to his legacy, well i wont say we not true to his legacy, because to an extent we capitolized off of The Civil Rights Act revision he helped implement, but realistically we as a community have dropped the ball and become content with the crumbs of the outcome, instead of advanced and even evolved the agenda's many have been killed on the frontlines fighting for..... he and all other activists and factions that have helped us get to where we are today will always be remembered and appreciated by me to say the minimum, i'm appreciative for it all....... but then again i can only speak for myself... Peace!
January 21, 2008 8:12 AM
 

Savere said:

Great article.......
January 21, 2008 8:27 AM
 

curtis75black said:

In a word - No! It seems to me that certain thing that should go hand in hand with our struggle don't. I heard today on Tom Joyner Morning show about a  fund dealing with MLK was basically funded by General Motors and Tommy Hilfiger. That is a true shame considering all of the "Rich ballin'" men and women we have in the Hip Hop community!! A shame that only when the media hits it we get involved or stand up to defend the defenseless. Jena 6 shouldn't have been blasted on the airwaves by Al Sharpton, it should've been our emcee's who attacked the Bullshit first!! Hip Hop fogot the community for money in the pockets, not just a certain few - all of them.
January 21, 2008 10:17 AM
 

odeisel said:

what's interesting is that music is often the vehicle to bering social change but it's not music as a whole, it's the individual artists that have taken it on themselves.  for every bob dylan there are tons of rock artists who could give a shit.

we got The Coup, we got Tech, we got dead prez, we got Mos we got Taalib, we got Murs we got Paris we got Banner we got Badu, We got Nas, we got got many artists that do carry the message along with the music.  We didnt have that many artists trying to actual change anything even when Public Enemy was out. so i think it's a misnomer that HipHop should be responsible for moving it, even though i think we do a fairly good job.

Stevie Wonder had to hold his own album hostage to renegotiate with Berry Gordy in order to break free from the pop Motown releases. He had the most socially relevant stretch of music and commercial viability probably in the history of music. he had the grammy's on a stranglehold for about 5 years.  Marvin Gaye also had to fight to be socially relevant. Berry Grody didn't just cosign "what's going on."  So even at the supposed height of balck music with a black person in charge, the music didnt' naturally, even imediately following King's death move to taking that struggle on.

So HipHop is not irresponsible. It's an artists choice whether he wants to carry the flag or not.  But
January 21, 2008 10:24 AM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

Peace!

yeah it should be based on a "choice" to do or not to do, but you'd think with the impact and recognition of the genre, that more artists would be willing to "step up" instead of "dumb down", especially those comming from the struggle. We got 1 billion kingpins with microphones, but only one Teacha? let that sink in, and yeah i know it's more trying to teach/educate via music but truthfully who even cares, and beyond that the bigger question is why don't we care? We can go buy products because of an artist but why can't we use that same indirect influence and energy to research or learn about some of the things the more socially-aware artists speak of without denouncing it as "nerdy" or "too intellectual"? Have we become to lazy to learn without being in a classroom?

aiight i'm done with this shit, i 4get most people on here don't even read past 3 lines, Peace!
January 21, 2008 11:01 AM
 

illseed said:

GREAT STORY. this should have 400 comments like the rumors. shout out to Odeisel.
January 21, 2008 11:15 AM
 

AFRIRICAN said:

What world are people living in, dr. kings dream, our American nightmare, more poverty than ever, 20% f young people in DC have the AIDS virus, women obviously don’t exists in people mind within hip hop, 2 and half million people in jail 90% Latino/black, sub prime mortgage crisis, wars with out end, Africom bill to PUT BASES ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT< great, now young poor people of color can be sent to Africa to kill Africans, 50 million people with no health care, the end of social security in twenty years, les people of color going to college than even 15 years ago, 38% drop out rate of young people of all colors across America, just because we have some super hyper millionaires less than 100 out of hip hop, how the hell does one justify that its all good, HIP HOP AS A CULTURE DOES NOT EVEN OWN ONE BUILDING,STUDIO,RADIO COMPANY. SCHOOL, FACTORY, HOSPITAL but HIP HOP as a BUSINESS (RAP for the most part) is a 5 Billion dollar industry and for real any article that does not mention the THOUSAND OF WOMEN IN THIS GAME IN ALL FIVE ELEMENTS  IS SPEAKING TO A PREDOMINATELY MALE AUDIENECE AND LEAVING OUT THE TRUE HOLDERS OF THE HIP HOP WORLD, CLAIM NO EASY VICTORIES AND TELL NO LIES! (AMICARL CABRIAL)knowthyself@mac.com
January 21, 2008 11:30 AM
 

odeisel said:

so after you soliloquoy of whining and bitching what is your solution?

Rappers aren't the only ones making money.  Someone has to write about them, someone dresses them, someone takes pictures of them, someone collects their publishing, someone represents them in court, someone counts their money, etc.  there are ancillary industries and numerous opportunities for peopel empowere themselves an feed themselves out side of corporate america and tha's because of HipHop. HipHop is like a microphone, a gun, a missile.  It's only as effective as the person with the hand on the trigger.

that said, if you have a movement or a direction that you are going in and you want to plug support, drop that link. garner some support.  you just got yourself a big platform(because of hiphop) to get some help or to get your message out.  otherwise get up get out and cut the bullshit out
January 21, 2008 11:48 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

@ Odeisel
Very true, hip hop shouldnt have to carry the flag forward to makin drasitk changes (if that was wot u were getin at) but like u say, its dun a pretty good job, 1 example bein it has brought cultures together. But dere is ignorant rappers out there sayin sum stupid shit, that Im sure he wouldnt appreciate.

But people like Tech buyin Farm land in Latin America, Keith Murray and Cleff doin bits in Africa, and late Pac fighting, theres alot rappers doin good things which gets ova looked, Im sure Dr. King would B proud to see that sort ov thing, even dudes like Bob Geldof and Bono do gr8 things, but all that gets well publicized, mayb coz there alot more famous, and people in there age group doin the National news and papers etc.

But artists are in A gr8 spot, shud they choose to 'carry the flag' it wud be a shame to see them not take advantage and try to make a change bein in the position (and privilege position at that), that theyre in.

But U cant ignore sum ov the glamorizing ov guns and stereotype that sum rappers put out, and rappers such as Mos and Talib even discredit rappers talking bout.

As you say, its entertainment also, jst as a movie is. Either way R.I.P
January 21, 2008 12:12 PM
 

illseed said:

obviously, the world isnt perfect and never will. each person MUST be accountable first to themselves, then others. I personally try to share a bit of knowledge based on what i do. i also think that we have to have societal values and focus on these things that are so wrong. right now, the media has become a pawn of the government where in vietnam and the civil rights movement, it was used to spread the real deal.

i am out...100.

sing for the KING.

and Hip-Hop step up, but dont step out.
January 21, 2008 12:19 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

that was to me or the Afri-Rican dude? O nevermind, lmaoooooooo!!! i think we'd have a field day with him in the Social Lounge section......

dude(or female which it seems to be based on the pro-feminist stance) is on some real zealot type shit, i'm not even sure what his/her agenda or basis is, i see alot of figures but i see alot of self-derrived rhetoric that has nothing to do with the topic of this Editorial.

So i will conclude this post with this, Hip-Hop has provided an economy for those who don't technically fit in with traditional requirements of societies totem-pole of economics, such as the college degree and other things associated with living a typical working-class lifestyle. So no Hip-Hop may not be all-end to any of the problems Afri-Rican was speaking of, but there is hope, and change has to start off as a power-walk before Hip-Hop as a culture/artform can effeiciently run things of relevance on a socio-economic level....
January 21, 2008 12:21 PM
 

AFRIRICAN said:

Pecae

I am Afrirican, I am a women, A black puerto rican women from the south bronx,  and I am not a feminist or a zealot, i am stating facts and you DUDES must be scared o the truth, Hip Hop has provided not economic base, i wish it did, and for real i would tear all you up on a panel, yes i know the Social Lounge, you should never assume whom you are dissing, as you said my critiques were not personal, that were agains the systmen, agaisn tthe goverenemnt,

I am not a whinner, i am stating facts, and i am not a bitcher, i am an activist and organizer, everything i write about i literally organzie against, when i saw Black bodies of hiph op generation foatin in water ten days after hurricane katrina, and report this on Daved D, or Gary Byrds Show, NPR, CNN, and when i go and fight and get arrested trying to save peoples homes i am doing somthing, i wont list what i all do, there are MANY WOMEN IN THIS HIP HOP WORLD DOING THE SAME AND MORE but feel free to email me a knowthyself@mac.com, my name is rosa clemente  google me, or just read my next post, or hit me personally I AINT SCARED :-), ps go to daveyd's site and here my words and actions along with Afrika Bambaataa and my boy M1 of dead prez

BY THE WAY I SUPPORT CYNTHIA MCKNINEY FOR PRESDIENT< DIDNT KNOW A BLACK WOMEN WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?
January 21, 2008 12:32 PM
 

odeisel said:

but see they are  taking advantage by doing something that the governement or corporate america is oing.  they are employing urban and poor people.  Tony Yayo is a productive citizen. You think h would have a job with his criminal record. Many of thes eugys are an industry in and of themselves.  It's very easy to pick out the wrong but how many of you who are supposed to actually be fans and have access to the music.  made 40 off a brick BUT one rhyme can beat that. If the messages seem to be of a criminal element perhaps it's becasue some (and i'm not an apologist or an absolver) of these people are speaking to the segment that you aren't.  that you are afraid to talk to.

get off them corners and do something with YOURSELVES rather than being on a soapbox and saying PEOPLE need to get off the corners and do something with THEMSELVES.

there are plenty of people who preach ot the choir but how many ae gonna do that misionary work. if you in the choir maybe that message aint for you. maybe it's for someone who needs it.  Lauren said"a motherfucker so you ingnant niggas hear me" yet when others do it it's not really looke don as that.
January 21, 2008 12:31 PM
 

AFRIRICAN said:

TO THE MEN THAT FELT THAT NEED TO DISS THE TRUTHS!  for real i am that chick that will build with anyone ready for the revolution,


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January 21, 2008 12:34 PM
 

odeisel said:

you still havn'et said what your platform is or how anyone cant get down with it. You're ranting and raving and half of it isn't even in correct english. if you are doing something positive then good.

How can you say HipHop is not providing a platform for economics and then say you on daveyd, a hiphop site. It's a business. It runs ads. I know Davey D. He makes his living off Hip-Hop. You just short circuited your entire point. Stop defending yourself. Just say what you are about and invite people instead of trying to black out.
January 21, 2008 12:36 PM
 

odeisel said:

see that, that's all you had to do. now people are free to take advantage of that info. thanks.
January 21, 2008 12:38 PM
 

AFRIRICAN said:

WHAT DOES JESUS LOOK LIKE?
by Rosa Clemente
I was raised in the Catholic Church. From the moment I was placed under this religious institution, I was put in a situation where my savior would never look like me.  For me Jesus Christ was a white men with blond hair and blue eyes.  Much of my high-school years were spent going to church and confessing my teenage sins to a white man who would  absolve me of those sins and tell me to pray to a white women(virgin mary) who in turn would save my soul. By the time I was 14 I thought all white men and women did was save people, the only man of color I saw in an position of authority was my dad, and papi did not look like Jesus and neither did mami.
While for many our spiritual path gives us strength the Catholic Church  robbed me of my strength; it made me question why Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit(also known as the trinity) did not look like me. One day after school I went to my best friend’s house and noticed a picture on the wall; a picture of Jesus Christ, but unlike in my house,  Jesus in this picture was Black. I stared at the picture and that image seared into my consciousness, that sunday when I went to church I was so conflicted,  it didn't make sense, when you are brainwashed by a religious institution and contradictions arise that conflict with your spirituality its hard to see the truth. That sunday would be my last  as a member of the catholic religion. Although this decision caused some family schisms I realize now that it was one of the best personal decisions i could have ever made to save  my spirit, my soul, the essence of who I am.
As a search for spiritual lessons for my daughter, I have committed  myself to focus on the readings of different religions.  While reading the teachings of Jesus Christ, not the King James version of the teachings, I have learned what I believe is the truth of this person. and understand the fullness of him as a man in a specific historical time.  A revolutionary, whom walked with the dispossessed.
So today when, a spokersperson for the Catholic League  condemned Kanye West for portraying Jesus Christ on the cover of Rolling Stone, and preceded to call him and the magazine them “moronic” I ask him, was it wrong for Jesus to be portrayed by Charlton Heston, a white male touting member of the National Rifle Association,  or what about the hoopla surrounding the Mel Gibson movie The Passion of the Christ,  I do not recall similar outrage from the Catholic League when the actor, Jim Caviezel was on every cover of every  major magazine  and what about the many 1000s of white men portray jesus christ in the last 100 years of cinema and television.
But I am not naive,  it not about seeing Jesus in a contemporary light renderings of what people believe to be Jesus Christ have been around forever, the problem for the Catholic League and many white christians whom will start coming out of the woodwork to also condemn Kanye and begin to attack Hip Hop is that Kanye West as BLACK MAN does not represent their revisionist history of whom Jesus was.  How jarring for white christians in america to realize that many of us are clear that Jesus was a African.
So once again brother Kanye West has used the mainstream media to jar white America a little bit more,  score 2 for Hip-Hop.  It may seem small and insignificant to many folks  but as someone's who believed for years that white men were my spiritual saviors, seeing the cover of rolling stone was such a good feeling,  so late last night as I was walking in my hood of Flatbush, Brooklyn I was singing in my head,  “To the hustlers, killers, murderers, drug dealers even the strippers, (Jesus walks with them), To the victims of welfare feel we living in hell here, hell yea(Jesus walks with them)(Jesus Walks)God show me the way because the Devil try to break me down(Jesus Walks with me)” when I walked into my house and picked up my baby girl Alicia,  I showed her the picture of Kanye on the cover of Rolling Stone,  she looked and smiled, I laid her down in her crib and she is staring at the picture of Kanye that I just put above her crib, as she falls asleep she not only knows that Jesus walks with her but Jesus looks like her too.

Rosa Clmenete is a Hip Jop Activist, memebr of the Malcolm x Grasrrots Movement and a journalsits with Pacirtifcac Radio, WBAI 99.5FM NYC  and Air America Radio.

Addendum: The South African Film "Son of Man" which poremiered at the Sundance Film Festical this week portrays Christ as a modern African revolutionary and aims to shatter the Western image of a placid savior with fair hair and blue eyes. The moive transports the life and death of Christ from first century Palestine to a contemporary African state racked by war and poverty(copied from the Sundance Film Festival Webstie)
January 21, 2008 12:39 PM
 

AFRIRICAN said:

well i dont see our work as missionary, how paternelistic i aint trying to save people, i am working with people so we can save ourselves, its called self-determination, and i will say this again, how many people are really employed off Hip Hop, you are looking at it through the lens of Hollywod, really the number one employer of Black People in America is Walmart-fucking WALMART, alright, so its not preaching use the facts, statr them, then do the work, I LOVE HIP HOP, but dude i am not going to lie about it, and really i do the work of the five element of hip hop, one given to us by Afrika Bambaatta, Knowledge and Culture and fucks RAPPERS(RECORDED ARTISITS WHO PERFROM) I WILL STICK WITH THE REAL PEOPLE'S MC's, starting with Chuck, KRS, Roxanne Shante, Fabel, Crazy LEgs, etc.
January 21, 2008 12:44 PM
 

AFRIRICAN said:

Yes My English is fucked up because I am typing fast, but here i will make it PROPER FOR YOU, i do not often debate nameless, faceless people, but on Dr. Kings BDAY i try to debate so that i can keep sharpening my skills, i like a lot of what is said, and i do not take your ignorance personally, i do not have a platform because i work with groups and people, and I helped create a platform when i co-founded the National Hip Hop Political Convention with 12 other people in 2003, but i will leave the personal out from now on, you know my name if u want to do some work holler, for everyone else out there in allhiphop world, i am glad that this types of forum exisit, but for real, espescially to ALL MY LADIES WHO HOLD UP HALF THE WORLD, lets build for a better future

PEACE
ROSA CLEMENTE
RETIRE 21 NOW!!!
January 21, 2008 12:50 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

Afri-Rican, i never dissed you, i just said i wasn't clear on what you were trying to get across in relation to the editorial, thanks for the explanation and nah i made the zealot comment out of that same misinformed feeling i got before you provided the clarity of your stance in the reply you just gave. No bridge burned, and i fear no woman, especially a black/brown woman, no need to ether me on a panel. We fighting a parallel struggle, but i feel like Hip-Hop has provided economic opportunities to those who might not have a chance in another aspect of industrialization/commerce, i never said it provided a "base" though if that part was being referred to me. Actually my last sentences were implying that lack of a "base".

And onto McKinney, yes McKinney is a blackwoman, she been involved in quite a few different aspects of politics over the years some great, others rather controversial, i don't fully understand this Green Party as they call it, but i can say Hillary Clinton's popularity probably overshadowed the fact that any other woman, let alone a black woman is also in the running....

Peace!
January 21, 2008 12:53 PM
 

odeisel said:

All the you named are economically empowered by HIpHop culture.  You have an issue with the word missionary because you have an idea of what they are. all it really is is someone on a mission. I'm sure your issues with Catholicism contribute to the way you feel about that word.

How many black entrepreneurs would we have without HipHop?  How many people with no fiscal chace have been empowered by it? HipHop put Shante in school. HipHop got KRS off the park bench. HipHop gave chuck d a platform and sold him millions of records, I'm sure which he used to further his crusade.  HipHop took legs around the world. Put him on television.  Feature dhim in books.  HipHop gave Ernie a medium to use his talents as a photgrapher and visual artist.  Allowed him to release books.  Everything you saying it doesn't do, it's done for everyone you mentioned.

People are saving themselves. Jim Jones got his ass out the projects, so did a whole bunch of peopel who wouldnt have a shot otherwise without HipHop. a war is fought on many fronts.  I think it's presumptuous for you to assume that your way is the only way or that becasue peopel don't think the way you do, that they are lost. that's most certainly NOT HipHop
January 21, 2008 12:58 PM
 

odeisel said:

Look at how much you said before you got out what you are actually about. Do you know how much more you would have gotten done if you put that first before you just came out the way you did?  If you do indeed like debating then you should be aware of the value of the audience. You lost yours the moment you came out wilding. Again if you doing something positive i applaud you. but other people have their own methods and ways to attack an issue as they see fit.  You don't know what charities people contribute to or how they spend their money. You know what YOU see. you know what they SHOW you. That's a hollywood lense.  peace
January 21, 2008 1:02 PM
 

AFRIRICAN said:

Peace  Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso

never no feelings hurt or bridges burned, i love debate, and i love my people, that why i give out personal info, because i believe that most of us are trying to elevate and move forward, and i have to say as a sister i do love debating the men in this, because it is often male dominated and the only way to be in it is to get in it, so in the spirit of our people, together for sure, and i debate issues not people, so feel free to holler are me of the boards, one luv, one nation,

peace
rosa clemente
January 21, 2008 1:07 PM
 

chuckwaters said:

One could argure that Hip Hop did to black americans that the Automakers and other manufacturers did for the middle-class.  Contrarty to popular belief, the middle class was started off of not so glamourous jobs.  Some built cars, some built widgets, some swept floors at the plant just so they could provide a better life for themselves and be productinve in society.

Hip Hop provides that same opportunity for many today.  I mean seriously, would you rather TI rape about guns or use one to come in your home and take what you got?
January 21, 2008 1:09 PM
 

odeisel said:

to bring this ba full circle. Dr. King didn't get kille for civil rights.  He got kille dfor trying to speak out against war and trying to organize poor people.  The Poor Peoples march on Washington was next, and his last speech was in front of  a union (sanitation workers i believe). So that message of self economic empowerment and freedom is definitely being upheld by some rappers, and it will take more of a precedence now in the digital age when they putting out albums themselves.  

If people don't liek it when they get judged by fe. then why is is okay for peopel, especially our own to judge HipHop based on a few, then there are thousands living the life and struggleing and putting out their own music and selling mixtapes and  creating DVD's. For anyone to say that HipHop is not opening doors financially is just lunacy
January 21, 2008 1:08 PM
 

MAK™ said:

ODEISEL... you made a lot of good points. So my answer is now: "Some of Hip Hop"

-mak-
January 21, 2008 1:10 PM
 

ThatDamnJay_ahh said:

If you're gonna talk the talk, you should already be walking the walk...great article Odeisel. To quote Laurence Fishburne's character in Spike Lee's School Daze "Wake Up!!!"
January 21, 2008 1:18 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

Great Editorial, great debates.....very interesting points of views, i wish more would contribute to the intellectual aspect of things, but it's cool....

And Afri-Rican once again i have no issues with you at all and glad to see how active you are via your different listed endeavors, but i do agree with Odiesel in regards to your introductory post being initially a lil too radical (but what revolutionary wasn't, lol). I respect your position as a Queen and if you want to build, feel free to click/add the myspace link on my name at minimum, Peace!
January 21, 2008 1:30 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

And OD you correct, actually i posted that very same speech in my myspace blog like last week, the speech about the Vietnam War if i aint mistaken..........
January 21, 2008 1:31 PM
 

MAK™ said:

and WHY is there so little comments in this section??? Damn people!!!
January 21, 2008 1:37 PM
 

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:

hopefully the lack of comments are due to the absorption of information and not lack of relevance.
January 21, 2008 1:47 PM
 

illseed said:

rosa clement is a real G...i am backing down right now...lol!!!

Mak...i need a moving avatar...whats really, truly good?
January 21, 2008 2:09 PM
 

Hypnotice7 said:

Great Editorial. To answer the question, definitely NOT. HipHop is lost somewhere between Afrika Bambataa and Soulja Boy.

I hadnt seen anybody yet that was willing to make the sacrifices and committements Dr. King made.  Hopefully one day there will be.

'06
January 21, 2008 2:11 PM
 

MAK™ said:

illseed i gotchu! what u lookin for???
January 21, 2008 2:26 PM
 

Krysma said:

This was good article. Dr. King was a great man. I am extremely grateful for what he has done. The answer to your question is no. There is a lot of negativity around and no one seems to really care about what's going on. We have come a long way but there is still so much to do.
January 21, 2008 2:50 PM
 

beatbrothersproduction said:

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January 21, 2008 2:50 PM
 

Boss Up said:

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso said:
hopefully the lack of comments are due to the absorption of information and not lack of relevance.

c/s

great article u touched on some key points
January 21, 2008 3:00 PM
 

charliestons said:

spectacular article there. Props to Odiesel for putting words together so well...

MLK lives 4eva....
January 21, 2008 4:01 PM
 

JREAL337LA said:

WELL 1ST OFF BIG UPS TO AHH FOR POSTING THIS EDITORIAL ITS A NICE READ AND GOOD QUESTION.

I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A TRICK QUESTION ALSO THOUGH WITH HIP HOP ARTISTS EXPRESSING CERTAIN RIGHTS THAT REV. KING ALONG WITH OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS' FOUGHT FOR SUCH AS: FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BLACK OWNERSHIP, AND BLACK INFLUENCE ON A GENERATION THAT IS NOW MORE TUNE INTO THE HIP HOP MOVEMENT THAN WE ARE OF POLITICS AND WAR ISSUES. IM 20 AND I KNOW A LOT OF MY NIGGAS AND FEMALES WHO DONT KNOW WHEN TO GO VOTE OUT HERE, BUT THEY KNOW WHAT RAPPERS ARE BEEFING AND WHEN THEIR CD'S ARE DROPPING.

BUT WITH SAYING THAT ALL RAPPERS MUST BE MORE MINDFUL AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF GIVING THE YOUNGSTERS SOME INFO ON POSITIVE THINKING AND GIVING THEM SOME GAME ON OUR TO OBTAIN EDUCATION OR TEACH THEM THE SYSTEM BEFORE THEY FALL VICTIM TO IT. I KNOW ALOT OF RAPPERS BRUSH THAT NOTION OFF AND DONT NECESSARY WANT TO EMBRACE THE REALITY OF THEM BEING BLACK ROLE MODELS; WHICH IS A STEREOTYPE THAT HIP HOP HAS TO LOSE. IF YOU ARE ACCEPTING THESE PEOPLE PROPING YOU AS ONE OF THE BEST AT YOUR CRAFT EVERYTIME THEY ARE BUYING YOUR CD YOU SHOULD ACCEPT RESPONIBILITY TO USING THAT POWER AND VOICE IN SOME SORT OF POSTIVE REACTION. I REMEMBER IN THE ATL INTERVIEW PIMP C HAD HE MENTION THE LACK OF SOCIAL COMMENTARY IN MUSIC NOT JUST IN THE SOUTH. WE NEED MORE OF IT. THEN WE CAN TRULY SAY THAT HIP HOP IS LEADING REV. KING'S LEGACY IN ALL FORMS OF THE MUSIC.
January 21, 2008 4:02 PM
 

odeisel said:

now for those who say hiphop is so negative do you actually have access to the music, or a you mesmerized by the same 8 songs that are put on the radio?  If you truly have access to the music then you can't possibly say that it's negative. i named 10 artists that are positive off the top without even going deep.  most of you have probably never heard of half of them.  so the questions you should pose to yourself is have you put enough into hiphop to actually expect something out of it?

Why is it that you miss hiphop so much and you can go on and on about how it used to be, but you can't even look further than the radio to find the music?  There were never as many positive acts in HipHop as there are right now. NEVER there were never as many negative acts either.  That's becaus now there is an abundance to choose from and no matter what your  preference, an artist that caters to it released an album last year.  But you probably missed it because you were so busy complaining about hiphop.  You issue isn't with hiphp , it's with it's dissemination.  You'll have to take that with radio and labels.  But those are independent of music. I question whether many of the people complaining are even lover's of hiphop at all, and perhaps are just lovers of remeniscing about their youth or anera in time with the music of theri era just a back drop.

Reread the piece.  if the Father can say King would be proud and he's from the first wave, how can you say it isn't?
January 21, 2008 4:19 PM
 

MAK™ said:

January 21, 2008 5:03 PM
 

SACTOWN916 said:

WOW!!!!! YOU ACTUALLY COMPARED TUPAC AND BIGGIE TO MALCOLM AND KING...THIS GOES TO SHOW THE LEVEL OF IGNORANCE THAT IS PLAGUING OUR SOCIETY TODAY. YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELF SIR...PLEASE DO NOT GENERALIZE OUR COMMUNITY WITH THOUGHTLESS STATEMENTS OF THAT NATURE...FUTHERMORE TO SAY HIP HOP IS
"RAGING AGAINST THE MACHINE" IS BLASPHEMOUS...THE CONCIOUSLESS MUSIC THAT IS BROADCASTED FOR OUR CHILDREN TO HEAR FUELS THE MACHINE...IF YOU ASK ME MAINSTREAM HIP HOP IS THE TRUE ENEMY OF CHANGE...HIP HOP SOLD OUT A LONG TIME AGO(MAINSTREAM)...IT'S NOT ABOUT CHANGE...IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ART OF STORYTELLING...IT'S ABOUT THE MIGHTY DOLLAR AND WHO CAN GET THE MOST OF IT...THE THING THAT ENRAGES ME THE MOST IS THAT WE HYPNOTIZE THESE CHILDREN WITH BEATS AND HOOKS, EXPLOIT OUR YOUTH FOR THE PRESERVATION OF CORPORATE GREED AND TALK ABOUT THE MAN WHO HAS ENSLAVED US ALL WHILE WE HOLD HIS AND EMBRACES US...THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THIS COUNTRY LOVE THE FACT THAT HIP HOP BREEDS IGNORANCE...WHY DO YOU THINK MALCOLM AND KING WERE ASSASSINATED...NOT BECAUSE THEY TOLD US TO DEGRADE WOMEN AND BALL TIL WE FALL...BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE SELFLESS AND HAD A POSITIVE MESSAGE THAT WOULD HAVE HURT THE ELITES POCKETS...AND SURE OUR YOUNG MEN ARE MOVING FROM THE CORNER TO THE BOARDROOM BUT AT WHAT COST...THERE JUST AS BAD AS THE DRUG DEALER...IF NOT WORSE BECAUSE THERE PRODUCT IS PACKAGED ONE WAY AND ENCLOSED IS A UNDERLYING MESSAGE THAT IS WIDESPREAD EMBRACED BY EVERGROWING MINDS...MINDS THAT ARE BEING MANIPULATED TO "KEEP IT REAL"...WE NEED TO KEEP IT REALISTIC AND GET UP AND DO SOMETHING. VOTE VOTE VOTE    BECAUSE EVERY MINUTE WE LOSE MORE AND MORE FREEDOM...BUT I ALMOST FORGOT...COLLECTIVE CONCIOUSNESS DOESN'T MOVE UNITS...COLLECTIVE CONCIOUSNESS ISN'T A MARKETABLE PRODUCT AND IF IT WAS...WOULD YOU BUY IT OR SELL IT?
January 21, 2008 5:16 PM
 

HERHOP said:

CHUUUUUCH SACTOWN916.

WE ARE AN IGNORANT PEOPLE. WE DON'T READ. WE DON'T WATCH QUALITY TELEVISION
AND WE DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR HISTORY (CHECK OUT THE GREAT DEBATERS BLOG) CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD THRASH THAT HISTORY LESSON, BUT SURE ENOUGH....JUST IGNORANT....

WENT TO SEE THE MOVIE IN THE HOOD WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT.  MAYBE 20 PEOPLE IN THE THEATER.  AND AT LEAST FIVE OF THEM WAS WHITE.

WHEN I WENT TO SEE WAIST DEEP.... COULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT WAS SOLD OUT...

SAD.

HIPHOP DOES NEED TO STEP IT UP
January 21, 2008 5:52 PM
 

odeisel said:

You can't tell he difference between Hip-Hop and what is playe don the radio then you should probably check yourself. What is "consciousness" and excuse not to have a job? If you aware of what you doing you conscious. Collective consciousness sounds like a hive mentality. Black people arne't all the same and we don't believe in the same things.  We have different experiences.

Hip-Hop doesn't breed ignorance parents breed. People breed. Music doesn't breed anything. At least Rosa had something to actually talk about.  What direction are you going? Hip-Hop cannot sell out.  an artist can sell out.  a movement cannot sell out.

Then when will you guys learn the difference between the Rap Muic Industry and Hip-Hop?  The minute you try to get someone to pay for your music you not into a hobby anymore you're in a business. And the aim of business is to profit.

you can't have it both ways.  either you gonna profit from it and take the evils along with the positives, or you stay beat boxing in your momma's basement.

You write a book and no matter how postive it is some trees got chopped and you promoting global warming by reducing the rain forest. nothing is immacualte but mary's coochie. just a fact of life man. HipHop would be better served if people would stop being naive and continue being hoed out and learn how to actually play the game.  you complin aboutnot owning anything? how do you think the people that own, got ownership?  Grow up.
January 21, 2008 5:53 PM
 

Look Down On Ray said:

The next person to compare Malcolm X and Martin Luther King to the likes of Tupac and Biggie gets labeled by me... an "American idiot" ... Now I live in Britain and travelled North America for 5 months... and have to say this... The American black people... are the single most ignorant group of people I have ever encountered in my life, they all called themselves "true Americans" some of them couldn't even tell me if they where African or West Indian... I was so dissapointed. Even most white americans could tell me where about in Europe they where from originally... Also, I TOTALLY AGREE with the idea that THIS generation are fucking everything the previous generations fought so hard for... the system learned from its mistakes... injutice and inequality is now so subtle and anyone with the intelligence and charisma comparable to Malcolm and Martin are shut down quicker than you can say "COMMUNIST!"
January 21, 2008 5:58 PM
 

odeisel said:

this generatioin is fucking everything up, yet crime is decades low?  People in britain about about to charge families that house Jamiacan visitors a tax for staying there and you calling America ignorant? Nigga please. This generation is divorcing themselves of the bullshit that has enslaved  two generations since the civil rights movement.

If rappers can move your children and you can't, who's the idiot? Whether you use books like malcolm or beats like mos, somebody ass is moving.
January 21, 2008 6:45 PM
 

SACTOWN916 said:

I DISAGREE, CONCIOUSNESS IS BEING AWARE OF WHATS GOING ON AROUND YOU AND TAKING "ACTION" TO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE. YOU SIR, ARE TALKING ABOUT BLOWHARDS...I WORK IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME...WITH THE HOPES OF CHANGING AS MANY AS I CAN...WHILE WORKING A 9-5. YOU ARE RIGHT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RAP MUSIC INDUSTRY AND HIP HOP I.E. LIL WAYNE(RAP MUSIC INDUSTRY)
IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE(HIP HOP) BUT OUR CHILDREN MOST OF WHOM ARE TOO YOUNG TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE OF RADIO MARKETING BELIEVE HIP HOP IS ALL MUSIC PLAYED ON THE RADIO. TURN ON ANY RADIO STATION AND YOU'LL HEAR COMMON ON THE SAME AIRWAVES AS SOULJA BOY SO IT'S HARD FOR THESE YOUTH TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE. ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE NO PARENTAL FIGURES TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE...I WAS USING THE WORD "BREED" AS A METAPHOR SO I WILL USE THE WORD NURTURE INSTEAD...THE RAP MUSIC INDUSRTY NURTURES IGNORANCE THROUGH THE USE OF THE MOST VITAL COMMUNICATION "THE SPOKEN WORD". KEEP IN MIND WE'RE HAVING THIS DEBATE ON A SITE CALLED ALL HIPHOP.COM WHICH PROMOTES HIP HOP...AND YOU CANNOT DENY THE FACT(LOOK AT THE SITE) THAT THE RAP MUSIC INDUSTRY DOES FALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF HIP HOP...I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OWNERSHIP...I KNOW THAT WE DON'T LIVE IN A UTOPIA..I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PROFIT...EVERYONE MUST EAT...AND NOT ALL THINGS OWNED WERE PURCHASED THROUGH THE USE SHADY TACTICS...YES, MOVEMENTS DO SELL OUT WHEN THE WRONG PEOPLE LEAD THOSE MOVEMENTS...JUST LOOK AT THE PAST
January 21, 2008 6:55 PM
 

odeisel said:

Hip-Hop raised me and fuck what you young guys say gangsta nip  esham and a bunch of those cats were way worse than anything coming out today.  If your children can't discern the difference it's because you are not doing a good job establishing their reality. You aren't properly managing their environment.

You follow anything blind then you are at its' mercy. No matter what the movement.

if you are in control of the music and they have ipods that hold thousands of songs at the same time then why are you listening to the radio in the first place.  you can program the shit in the car you can program it in your home. Your own laziness is dooming your children, not HipHop.  

HipHop is amorphous it doesn't even have a shape so you can't say hiphop causes anythign because it's not controlled by anyone.  The business may be, but you can't hold jelly in anyone's hands. you put the squeeze on it it slips through your fingers.  You hold it open in the palm of you hand and it will jiggle right out.  so cuff it.  look at it, understand it for what it is. you may lose some from the fringe, but you can at least keep the heart of it.

January 21, 2008 7:06 PM
 

SACTOWN916 said:

HOW CAN YOU SPEAK OF THE MOVEMENT WHEN YOU USE THE WORD N@@@A. YOU HAVE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS AND ARE VERY OPPINIONATED BUT WHEN YOU USE THE WORD THAT WAS MEANT TO KEEP US ALL DOWN...YOUR WORDS LOSE WEIGHT...SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM...WILLIE LYNCH INSTILLED THIS MENTALITY IN US AND THE ELITE LOVE IT WHEN WE REFER TO OURSELVES AS N****S...I DON'T CARE HOW YOU SPELL IT SOUND IT OUT OR MANIPULATE IT SO YOU CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT USING IT...DO YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS GENERATION IS DIVORCING ITSELF FROM THE BULLSHIT...YOU MUST BE TALKING ABOUT A FRACTION OF THIS GENERATION BECAUSE IF YOU ASK ME THIS GENERATION IS PROBOBLY ONE OF THE MOST UNINVOLVED OF ALL GENERATIONS...SURE WE ACT ON THESE INTERNET BLOGS READY TO POINT,CLICK AND PECK AT THE PROBLEM BUT AS FAR AS MASS DEMONSTRATIONS AND MOVEMENTS...WE ARE BELOW AVERAGE...SURE CRIME IS DOWN BUT THE INCARCERATION RATE IS DECADES HIGH
January 21, 2008 7:10 PM
 

odeisel said:

don't mention we. we who?  you went ot go see it so you can't say "we"  you also reading the long ass comment sin this thread so you read.  You don't know who dont read and who does.

some people see the movies as an escape from reality. Maybe they dont want to see the great debaters.  maybe they go to lose  themselves for an hour or two. That doesn't mean they aren't "conscious" it measn they don't want to watch a sports movie about debating (if you saw it then you know the format is analogous with a sports movie)

most people don't like debate itself so why woul you see a movie about debating? shit watch the presidential debate, that shit's gonna affect your children's lives.  People spend so much time in front of screens and not in front of each other and wonder why they are alien to reality

January 21, 2008 7:16 PM
 

odeisel said:

there is no such thing as willy lynch. and if you are subject to the power of nigga which is nothing more than a ligual construct then shame on you, I hope the shackles don't chafe.

as far as incarceration your marches mean nothing. only your vots count. you are thinking 60s but technology has renederred that form of protest mute.  millions take the stet protesting all the time. they protested the EU. where did that get them? an EU.  People march against the war all the time. what does it get you? and increase in troops. so while you are protesting in the streets they gettingit done in town ahll meetings you don't attend.  on debates that people don't see.

How you gonna say they don't do anything but shit on the way they voice displeasure because you don't understand it? So they can't win.  They aint about nothing becasue you can't understand the way they go about dissenting? You guys have more involved with power than you think
January 21, 2008 7:26 PM
 

SACTOWN916 said:

IF WORDS MEAN NOTHING AND ARE JUST A LINGUAL CONSTRUCT. I WANT YOU TO GREET YOUR MOTHER AS A "WHORE" THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE HER AND EXPLAIN TO HER THAT WORDS ARE JUST LINGUAL CONSTRUCT...SURE THAT SOUNDS GOOD BUT IT'S ALL THE HISTORY BEHIND THE WORD...SO SHAME ON YOU! THE ONLY REASON TECHNOLOGY HAS RENDERED THAT FORM OF PROTESTING MUTE IS BECAUSE WE LET IT...READ THE FIRST THING I POSTED...I STATED VOTE THREE TIMES BECAUSE I TOO BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE VOTE...I DID NOT SHIT ON THE WAY PEOPLE DEMONSTRATE I WAS SIMPLY STATING THE MAJORITY ARE NOT ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN ANYTHING AND THAT SIMPLY VENTING IS NOTHING BUT TALKING...AND TALK IS CHEAP...YOU SPEAK OF TOWN HALL MEETINGS....EXACTLY WHAT ARE THEY GETTING DONE AT TOWN HALL MEETINGS? PLEASE LET ME KNOW...AND WILLIE LYNCH DID EXIST AND TO THIS DAY THE MENTALITY REMAINS IN THE MINDS OF MANY...JUST LOOK AROUND AT SOCIAL INTERACTION IN THE CITY YOU LIVE IN...YOU SPEAK WITH CONVICTION BUT KICK ME SOME FACTS SO MAYBE I CAN BE ENLIGHTENED
January 21, 2008 10:37 PM
 

Flamethrower #80 said:

Everything evolves including what is called today's racism "of a color way of thinking" for a lot of people. The last name Luther is derived from Germany. The world might be Crazy but the earth still spins in the same direction.

January 22, 2008 8:29 AM
 

nercity07 said:

"this generatioin is fucking everything up, yet crime is decades low?  People in britain about about to charge families that house Jamiacan visitors a tax for staying there and you calling America ignorant? Nigga please. This generation is divorcing themselves of the bullshit that has enslaved  two generations since the civil rights movement.

If rappers can move your children and you can't, who's the idiot? Whether you use books like malcolm or beats like mos, somebody ass is moving."


Realest shit I ever read. And I've read a lot of shit.
January 22, 2008 6:43 PM
 

Maxwellinformed said:

"The “keep it real kingdom” has gotten increasingly more violent and negative since we lost our own Malcolm and Martin (Shakur and Wallace) almost a decade ago."

The above quote is the fundamental problem with this article. If you want to compare Tupac and Biggie to Marvin Gaye and Curtis Mayfield then that's fine. But don't compare them or any other rappers to Malcolm and Martin who were revolutionaries.

Hip hop is a culture OK, but rappers are entertainers and nothing more. Just like Marvin asked "What's Going On", Tupac says "Keep Your Head Up." These are inspirational men and may motivate but real change comes from within our own communities. Who are the black leaders today? Look in the mirror. Black men have to be fathers to their children. Ed OG and   Da Bull Dogs rapped it. But it takes the man to actually stand up and say "my son will know his father loves him." Stop looking at rappers to be leaders black man. Stand up and look in the mirror.
January 23, 2008 11:01 AM
 

city414 said:

Obama wins the Iowa Caucus...Young People come out in record numbers....Yet issues effecting  African American Latina/o, Asian and Native youth are not spoken about! Xenophobic Laws and Police Brutality against Spanish speaking immigrants soars! The Black and Latino Female and Male Prison Population continues to increase! Gentrification is displacing millions of low income people! HIV/AIDS is a pandemic in communities of color! Does it matter if a Black man or a White woman wins the Presidency?

who givea shit about illegal immigrants obama best take care of home 1st. why dont you help central americans protest against mexican border patrol agents?

there is no such thing as people of color every body is colored!

the black and latino prison population continues to increase ? people are responsible for their own actions and they deserve to suffer the consenquences.

January 23, 2008 9:08 PM
 

city414 said:

@AFRIRICAN

arent you a little extreme for mainstream prs?

are you pushing to help migrants who came from english speaking islands retain there language in spanish speaking countries?


Who is Black?:  
Redefining Blackness in the 21st century

-simple! american blacks, westindians and continental africans in the U.S

Black and Brown Unity:
History, Tradition and Future Movements

-if this mean mexican the unity is fading alot of people are tired of latin americans and their nationalism......

Does it matter if a Black man or a White woman wins the Presidency?

-yes, whats the difference between a white manand a white woman? gender nothing more nothing less.... a white women dont know anything about being black...


Jennifer "JLove" Calderon
Author of That White Girl and the upcoming Until the White Day is Done. jennifercalderon.com

-lol, how you gonna hate yourselves mainstream prs are mostly european inorigin. and that shit sound racist.

Gentrification is displacing millions of low income people! HIV/AIDS is a pandemic in communities of color!

-african people in south america are being displaced in colombia and erased in countries like argentina

Black and Puerto Rican Political Prisoners in the United States

-there is no comparisonwith the 2 one is a group of americans for racial. the other for the sake of their nationality, pr which we american blacks arenot,


January 23, 2008 9:28 PM
 

eyezchineezz said:

odeisel

EITHER UR WHITE OR RACISTE... OR JUSS BEEN GIVEN SOME KIND OF BRAINWASH PILLL
January 24, 2008 12:51 AM
 

adopefemalemc said:

@ Afrirican
You doin smthn more than sitting behind your keyboard and for that, regardless of any of us disagreeing w/ ea. other about details, mayne, u doin the damn thing, u should check out HipHopCongress.org, we need folks like u.

As far as the editorial, I think the title question it posed generalizes a lot of very different people. Hip-Hop has evolved and expanded too much to be taken in as a whole.  And there's a lot of newer artists that shouldn't even be considered "Hip-Hop" or referred to as artists cuz summa that sh*t aint art.  I don't believe you can judge an artist by if he makes "conscious" music or not, you can hold him accountable for what he passes on to the next generation, but the media has screwed up the perceptions of everyone too much for us to make a fair analysis. They wont go get the cameras when Snoop writes a check and pays for a young black boy's college fund but they will if he gets arrested. You wont see the countless organizations by our rap artists, like Nelly's organization for bone marrow cancer. So, you have to ask what exactly honors MLK 1st, because nobody is perfect. That "conscious" artist may do his part by dropping gems on the next generation and that's his role, it does not mean he does anything more for our communities after that. That artist that makes only club songs may have an organization that gives scholarships to young black youth and gets no media attention for that, so we may be disillusioned on who's doing what to do their part. Also, we can't forget that even in the earlier stages, Hip-Hop was not just a podium for socially-conscious venting, people made songs about letting loose and having fun back then, it served as an escape. So I'd really like to see people stop hating on the South and other artists that have fun w/ it. Artists are people, too, they get ashy, they have stank breath in the morning. So, in my opinion, and it's just that- an opinion: I think we shouldn't be asking if Hip-Hop honors MLK, ask each individual person breathing on this planet that benefitted from MLK's sacrifices, if they honor him, regardless of how they get their bread and butter. And let's stop thinking these elders, a lot of who gave up after Civil Rights was over, get to stand on top of tall podiums and drop criticizing bombs on our young generation, how bout LEAD US instead of going against us. Hip-Hop is not perfect but it goes thru many phases and it's turning over a new leaf as we speak cuz ppl are growing weary of the same ol' shit, look at our presidential candidates, the world is evolving. How bout we ask if RadioOne or Clear Channel honors MLK? Start at the top of this Hip-Hop food chain, cuz u'd be surprised how little creative control these artists get so they choose between their dignity and their dream. And while u thinkin' bout what I just said, check out my music
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January 24, 2008 6:57 AM
 

adopefemalemc said:

Gotta give it to David Banner, Dead Prez and Saigon, though, don't get what I said twisted. As much as some of our artists need to be held accountable or need Joe Clair to hit em' in the head w/ a book, I get tired of Hip-Hop being held responsible for things they have no control over, like David Banner said in the video above. Hip-Hop did not invent cuss words, ppl in the Civil Rights generation used the word 'nigga', and many in that era did not pass the baton, us 80's babies are products of the crack epidemic, crack babies. I'm not making excuses, but Hip-Hop is being given a little too much credit for being pressured to change the world.
January 24, 2008 7:38 AM
 

a.sea said:

hip hop isn't living the dream. when i think of the dream, and i'm sure when dr. king had it envisioned in his mind, i don't think of "thuggin", b's and h's, ice, rims, d boys, or any of those things. lets be honest, most of the hip hop community looks like fools in the eyes of many, including alot of younger black americans. lets stop putting these guys on a pedestal and hold them accountable for their actions. this is not ALL of hiphop, but it's a part of it that's getting way to much attention and has gotten way out of hand. it's not cool to be dumb and act as if if you're from the hood or inner cities you HAVE to act a certain way. a way that when honestly looked at is quite ignorant. "keeping it real" is so played out. hip hop would rather praise a man for selling illegal drugs and going to prison or not being a rat for something that illegally took place, but has nothing to say about someone graduating college. once again not to generalize the entire hip hop community, but the percentage that fits this description is way to high. so i believe the dream was about empowerment through education, unity, and GOD. it had nothing to do with what alot of hip hop portrays.
January 26, 2008 3:48 AM
 

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January 26, 2008 12:09 PM
 

Aries1 said:

Is Hip Hop True to Dr. King's Legacy? My answer is yes and no.  

Yes- Being that blacks in America has risen to build better opportunities through hip hop.  Many millionaires has been made in hip hop, and is the top musical genre today in America.  People have ventured from hip hop music to film to corporations. Many blacks from the inner city in US has risen to success through hip hop.

"Hell" No- Because there is a lack of responsibility that has come with that success.  As of right now, racism still exist, segregation still exists, education in the inner city has declined greatly.  What's the problem with that?  One, no one in the communities, at home, nor the figures in hip-hop have take to action on these pressing issues to make it fair for everyone. Now I am not solely putting just hip hop in the spotlight, its ourselves , the people/ society that sees it and do nothing about the injustice.  Back in the days, the people were all against injustice  TOGETHER.  There was unity between  the communities, entertainers against injustice.  Public Enemy, KRS ONE, Tribe Called Quest instill to the young people to get your education, get your knowledge, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER. Today, we have but a little percentage of that left, many in the percentile being underground.  Now everyone is getting rich and happy, but show little concern to the little important things that count more than the almighty dollar.  

Dr. King was labeled by the head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, as "the most dangerous man". Why? Because Dr. King had a great wealth of knowledge, and with that great knowledge he carried, he shared it to the people, which enables great power to the people.  And when you give power to the people, that brings fear to the government, to feel more inferior. Knowledge is power, we today take this for granted.  What Dr. King did is something no one today would bother to do.  Which is why the black community is divided.  Which is why the generation is experiencing a gap.  Because we as a society no longer think as a collective to compromise matters at hand, but as individuals. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! Injustice to one, is injustice to all. Peace and Love.

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