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Published Friday, May 15, 2009 11:43 AM
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Lets be clear, people. We like Joe Budden around these parts. That’s no mystery. We think this is one talented young man that has a lot to offer the game. He’s skilled with the lyrics and is one of the best emcees out and about these days.


On the other side of things, there is Grandmaster Melle Mel. We love Melle Mel for what he represents to Hip-Hop, as a pioneer and as a skilled emcee. Back in 2003, we were the first to regard Mel as “The Original G.O.A.T.” and since then, the term has been used very widespread. Check out those interviews here: Part 1 and Part 2.



Make no mistake about it...Melle is a great Hip-Hop artist in every sense of the word.


Now, we come to the year 2009, a time well past when Melle Mel was that G.O.A.T. figure in Hip-Hop. But, there is a saying, “once a G.O.A.T., always a G.O.A.T.” That’s not really a saying, but you get the point. The point in, Joe acting as if Melle Mel doesn’t deserve his spot is to speak blasphemy against, say…Muhammad Ali. It would be like Micheal Jordan dissing Dr. J or Kobe Bryant dissing Micheal Jordan or Lebron…well you get the message.


There’s no love lost for Joe Budden, but Melle Mel has rebutted the New Jersey rapper’s comments. He does it will style, finesse and if you watch til the end, you will see that sometimes Melle Mel still has to slap the wrist of his children from time to time.

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For those that need to know, Melle Mell and members of the Furious Five are set to embark on a tour of the world. They told AllHipHop.com exclusively his plans.

I have been building myself up for a couple of years now, it's time for the people to witness the original Furious 5 MC’s all together on one stage. Me, Scorpio, Rahiem and Kid Creole are also shopping a reality show about The Furious 5 MC’s.” Melle Mel


“From living oversea in Switzerland and Germany, the question was always ‘when is The Original Furious 5 coming overseas? After getting inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, I felt like it was time. I have always viewed our fans and audience as family, so I am looking forward to getting back together with everyone.” - Scorpio


For booking inquiries contact: Mick Bentson: payup100@aol.com


Comments

 

saga1825 said:

Ok, this is going far, but this wont be the last lashin that Budden will get off his comments. Respect is respect, like Mel say "if Mel put in his work, budden shouldn't speak on it".
May 15, 2009 11:56 AM
 

T-Mo said:

I fucks with Joey but, he went alittle overboard with that one.
May 15, 2009 11:57 AM
 

kochbk said:

wow
May 15, 2009 11:58 AM
 

clevelar said:

Nuccas are losing their minds!

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May 15, 2009 12:01 PM
 

bdanizz said:

i hope someone slaps buddens in da mouth
May 15, 2009 12:06 PM
 

Armorking said:

Yo, cats in hiphop cant take a bit of opinion and criticism. This is pathetic. Everything melle said about his imprint on hiphop  is true. But does that mean lyrically he is free from criticism?!?

Come on man. Melle is a legend, he is literally hiphop. With that being said, i still got Buddens over Melle lyrically any day. Shit, I got Budden over Method any day.
May 15, 2009 12:07 PM
 

theillseed said:

i think it boils down to respect. If you say budden's will lyrically go in on Mel in 2009 -sure! Everything is a natural progression. Yall dont remember but KRS battled Melle Mel and took him out. Larry Holmes Beat Ali, A.I. broke Jordan's ankles...its just the way it is...but we don't forget Ali's greatness. That's just silly. Shout out to Budden, but this is above criticism. Mel laid it out well and didn't bitch up or nothing.
May 15, 2009 12:12 PM
 

JGBLACK said:

damn melle mel! niggas is blowing this shit way out of the water. Joe called out half of the list not just Meth or Mel. It didnt mean no disrepect at all, he just felt that we was a better lyricist. And anyone should feel that in the game. if you dont think you are the best then you arent shit to nobody. Joey knows what Mel and Meth has done for hip hop and music in general. And im more than sure that Joey will still have respect these cats and handle this situation good.

but bottom line I see this going way too far. real rappers give repsect to pioneers and what they have done for hip hop but thats in the past. And Joey said today in rap in the present time he is a better lyricist. He never said that he has always been better than mel and Meth or any other rapper on that bogus ass list that Vibe put up. Hopefully this shit can get resolved quickly! That whole chart shit was immature too man. I think it was uncalled for. Mel knows what hes done and I dont see why he should feel the need to get involved in this shit thats has been taking out of proportion.
Keeping do yall think Meth and Joe and keeping making real hip hop.

peace
May 15, 2009 12:12 PM
 

livewyre10 said:

nah fuck that, joey is also my dude but sometimes he should shut the fuck up! melle mel should never be spoken on negatively! and for the record meth is way better than budden, in my opinion anyway.
May 15, 2009 12:18 PM
 

lee09 said:

Dude said Joey's by the ASS CRACK area of hip-hop...LMAO
May 15, 2009 12:23 PM
 

jay_everyday said:

I don't blame Melle Mel. Youtube and web videos was the worst thing ever given to rappers. These lames are talking shit to each other, to fans, and just saying stupid shit in general. AHH ran a story on how Twitter could kill a career, they need to do one on how Youtube can kill a career. Buddens is a dope rapper, but if he calls someone out based upon their skills and merit, especially a legend, then he deserves to be dealt with accordingly. These cats need to learn some respect and stfu and make good music.
May 15, 2009 12:25 PM
 

tippydickumdown said:

real talk..
May 15, 2009 12:26 PM
 

hotfire82 said:

I'll give Joe the credit for being the lyricist that he is but that nigga is wrong!!! I'm a call a spade a spade but that nigga should had kept his comments to himself. But that shit was funny how he pulled out that chart and put him in ass crack of the chart.
May 15, 2009 12:28 PM
 

EDOGZ818 said:

Melle mel was the man b4 Joe Budden was an itch in his daddy nutz!

Melle Mel , Method, etc!
Wait , didn't Willie D knock Melle Mel out in the MC boxing tournament!

Hahahaha, Mel is a beast though!
May 15, 2009 12:32 PM
 

Lil Wayne Sucks said:

Love Joey but he needs to stay in his lane.
May 15, 2009 12:33 PM
 

SaluateYaGeneral said:

JERSEY!!!!!!! REPRESENT REPRESENT!!!!!

JOEY GET AT THESE NIGGAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 15, 2009 12:39 PM
 

SaluateYaGeneral said:

JERSEY!!!!!!! REPRESENT REPRESENT!!!!!

JOEY GET AT THESE NIGGAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 15, 2009 12:39 PM
 

coughdrop said:

Hip Hop Lacks respect that is why other genres do not take our music seriously i like joe budden but the dude has had one hit single and zero platinum or gold albums melle has those on his wall .if joe budden things he is great just lyrically pave your way do not moan about not being on a list from vibe magazine at that.lol
May 15, 2009 12:40 PM
 

Im_Lux said:

@Illseed


I think whoever made this list is negligent in the fact that they didn't state their criteria on how people make the list in the first place.  It's got budden thinking it's on lyrical ability and melly mel and many other people thinking about who's made the biggest imprint of the game.  The whole list in itself is completely contradictive.  You can't have some of those artists which have never put an imprint on the game on the same list as a melly mel.  You can't put artists like pac or biggie on the same list as a joe budden because the best true LYRICISTS are not entertainers/rappers and entertainers/rappers are not true lyricists.  So I mean the blame for buddens and mel getting their panties in a bunch should definately go to the person that made this ridiculously unbalanced compltely unsubstantiated list.


But on another note.  Buddens is talking reckless...he's trying to bait Meth on some real disrespectful ish just to show and prove he should be higher on the list he's hurt because he's far down the list is what that is we all know that Joe Buddens has feelings like a 46 year old woman going through menapause...I mean of course in my opinion I don't think lyrically meth is any match for budden.  But on another note budden is just a lyricist he's not an entertainer/rapper by any means Meth has been entertaining me for years.   But all in all Joe is going at the people ON the list instead of the people BEHIND the list...Thats wrong to me
May 15, 2009 12:41 PM
 

poe said:

what's up Joe?
May 15, 2009 12:41 PM
 

Oye Bang! said:

theillseed said:
i think it boils down to respect. If you say budden's will lyrically go in on Mel in 2009 -sure! Everything is a natural progression. Yall dont remember but KRS battled Melle Mel and took him out. Larry Holmes Beat Ali, A.I. broke Jordan's ankles...its just the way it is...but we don't forget Ali's greatness. That's just silly. Shout out to Budden, but this is above criticism. Mel laid it out well and didn't bitch up or nothing.
*********************

Cosign! Nothing else needs to be said.
May 15, 2009 12:42 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

Dude spoke the God Honest truth

Respect it, u ass-crack ass rappers!!! LMAO that funny as hell

Buddens Youtube bitch-fit = EPIC FAIL

Like my man Grady told Dap on School Daze

"Sometimes you just have to shut the fuck up"

Take heed...Joe (and all his Stans)
May 15, 2009 12:44 PM
 

NorfKakalaki05 said:

Y so bitter joey?
May 15, 2009 12:54 PM
 

Texas_Playa said:

Joe Budden, what imprint have you left on hip hop???

I put this nigga and Charles Hamilton in the same boat

Niggas acting like bitches beggin for attention
May 15, 2009 1:00 PM
 

theillseed said:

lee09 said:
Dude said Joey's by the ASS CRACK area of hip-hop...LMAO

--------------------------
YO...on my word...hand on the bible..that's the funniest thing i have heard this month...LMAO hahahaahahahahahaha
May 15, 2009 1:02 PM
 

theillseed said:

I admit Joe had some points, but he seemed to "go in" on Meth and Mel...i cant call it hahahaha
May 15, 2009 1:04 PM
 

Don Blake said:

a nigga whose girlfriends ass is more important than their own career should never speak on one of the greatest of all time.

When we close the book on Hip-Hop, Joe Buddne will be  footnote and Melle Mel has his own chapter.

Peep the second verse of beat street breakdown. that verse is better than anything Hoe Budden will do in his entire life.

I understand the spirit of competition and all that and that every rapper should feel they are the best. but Joe Budden is a fucking rapper. Melle Mel is a legend.

The message...pump it up..get the fuck out of here
May 15, 2009 1:06 PM
 

phelo_phenom said:

Migrate south for the summer and winter....I'll make your slumber permanent....

Write my name in the firmament and put it on display

So the whole world can see....

Shall no other emcee fuck with me....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgcJRbXEPtk
May 15, 2009 1:07 PM
 

Breed500 said:

People came down hard on Soulja Boy for talking out his ass with the Ice T and Nas comments...I don't see the differnce with what Joe is doing besides him actually being able to rhyme. I heard him on the radio (Ed Lover i think)..and he stood by what he said but is already giving himself loopholes to get out of this mess if shit hits the fan..and it will..He also started calling out Redman(cause he rides with Mef)..the hole gets deeper everytime this dusthead opens his mouth..could he take out Mef?..I think he could but what would that prove? That he is a great battle rapper? We already know that..But then what? Translate you going after legends into a career...you can't...now make a hit...you can't...Mef will have to step his game up..but you'll have to deal with Redman too..not so easy..and after that every battle Mc will come after you..from Math Hoffa to Head Ice,Lux,Mook..you name em..again..what will that prove?..you are a battle mc but not a great artist..alienate your audience..and ruin your chances at what once seemed a great future..Short term winnings instead of long term planning...you killed yourself man..
May 15, 2009 1:08 PM
 

Don Blake said:

Why don't budden get off old nigga's dicks and say some shit about fab or royce or a contemporary.  That's like me saying i can whip Ali's ass now. So what he's old and fucking finished.
May 15, 2009 1:09 PM
 

Im_Lux said:

Don Blake said:
Why don't budden get off old nigga's dicks and say some shit about fab or royce or a contemporary.  That's like me saying i can whip Ali's ass now. So what he's old and fucking finished.

_______________________________________________

But i think thats his point isn't it? he's saying these older rappers ain't hittin like they used to in 2009 and some aren't even touchin mics so how are they on a list TODAY with people that are active and doin their thing this year.
May 15, 2009 1:15 PM
 

Delveez_619 said:

Yo! Joe Budden's arguement is different from Mr. Mel's.  Joe says that if you put most of the rappers on that list in front of him TODAY, he will rip their heads off.  No arguement.  Melle Mel says that niggas need to respect Hip Hop by either giving respect where respect is due, or dont say nothing at all.  Joe paid homage to He and Meth, but clearly stated, that TODAY, he would give them the biz!  This is really much about nothing.

peace
May 15, 2009 1:17 PM
 

EDOGZ818 said:

I think it was Freddy Foxx aka: Bumpy Knuckles!
That's what Hip Hop needs , a UFC side show, & teach ni99az some knuckle game & give them an outlet to settle beef! Ref, cage, etc.

Boxing, Cage , Pride, Gloves or not?

( " That @$$crack of Hip Hop" was mad funny! )
Budden nedd to STFU B4 he gets himself taken off the list! He should be honored to even be last on that list! Budden mad funny!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pto8SbHIcMQ&feature=fvsr

@ 4:20 Budden's man get the tears slapped outta of him on some rap beef! LMFAO! @ Him getting slapped back into his house!
May 15, 2009 1:17 PM
 

sardo numspa said:

Joey may want to just shut up on this one and let it die.  Cuz if Melle Mel raise up its gon be TROUBLE, TROUBLE!

R.I.P. Bernie Mac
May 15, 2009 1:19 PM
 

sclass0020 said:

i think joe is one of the best lyricists out and i think that sometimes he says things that he shouldnt, although they are the truth but at least he is that, honest. if he didnt respect the pioneers, why did he say he was going out in the first round vs rakim? he was just telling the truth. people have no problem with jay saying he is the goat or lil wayne (please) saying he is the best rapper alive but because joe hasnt sold as many albums, he cant say the same thing just in a different manner.
meth is a legend but we arent speaking album sales and do you really think in a booth meth would eat joe? thats all he said, that he was a better lyricist. joe sometimes says things that dont need to be said or could go without being said but he is honest and he sticks by what he says. how many emcees say things and then when called on it try and reword or change it? forget legendary status, which mel definately is, lyrically? i bet meth was ranked higher than both ins dek and gza but is he lyrically superior than either? like joe said if you dont agree it would be easy to prove him wrong, grab a mic. people use this is how i feed my family and if you speak on that im ready to go to war, ready to take it to the streets, so if i work at mcdonalds and a bk worker says their burgers are better are they going to take it to the streets? that ish is a cop out, he didnt disrespect meth or his family, if he disagrees, pick a mic up and give him 32 bars of m e t h o d.... man
May 15, 2009 1:21 PM
 

Skillmatic11 said:

LOL...Wow...well I'm new to AHH, but not to hip hop itself I just want to make a few points...

1)I think Joey was, in fairness, saying Melle Mel was not on his level lyrically. It never disrespected his accolades or position in hip hop, just that RIGHT NOW, he is ass lyrically, which I think all of you who are supposed "fans of rap" would agree with. Unless you're a fan of Lil' Wayne then your opinion doesn't matter...;-)

2)To defend the lyrical superiority debate, can any of the Melle Mel backers, recite a Melle Mel verse from memory??

3)You're re not obligated to revere or respect those that come before you. Sometimes to make your own mark, you destroy all previous accomplishments and build you own upon the rubble. Meaning Joey didn't have to respect jack $#!+ about what Melle Mel has done. Laws 7 and 41 come to mind.

4)Don I heard beat street breakdown...meh...Now YOU go listen to Mood Muzik 2 and 3 and if you cannot find a SINGLE verse that's better than Melle Mel's verse I'll eat a Stripper's G-String

Now I've RESPECTIVELY left comments. If you want to get into a hip hop discussion on this...its find..If I'm disrespected them...I'll defend myself..;-)
May 15, 2009 1:23 PM
 

Who Better said:

Joe Buddens needs to log off the internet where he feels like a rap god amongst his 10,000 fans and log back into the real world where there are billions of people who don't know him let alone like him.

Whens the last time Joe Buddens was in Vibe? 7 years ago? They do him a favor and list him amongst some of hip hops elite and this is how he acts?

What a clown. Take your meds mouse. Joel Ortiz is better than you and he didn't make the list. You should be honored chump.
May 15, 2009 1:27 PM
 

EDOGZ818 said:

The list is about totality! Overall! Influence! Amount of love received! Budden probably hasn't sold more ringtones than Melle Mel sold records!

Melle mel changed the face of Hip Hop! The first commercial rapper / mainstream & still spit the real! Budden's Punchline raps don't compare. ( IMO )

Joe may have better punchlines , but his career hasn't really started yet, & looks like it's over already! ( Just with the Method Man / Melle Mel Beef )

Free publicity aint always good publicity! ( See Rick Fal$e , Nelly vs Krs-one )
May 15, 2009 1:29 PM
 

HazelBlu said:

Big ups Melle Mel... Joey is dead wrong... Damn Shame... Respect History...
May 15, 2009 1:29 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:


@Who Better

Co-sign


I like Joey...but dont care for non-humble mofos...he being more of a bitch than his chica
May 15, 2009 1:31 PM
 

nyga07 said:

Im_Lux
u said u cant put pac and big on a list with buddens
what u smoking
big>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joey with lyrics anyday without boring you to death
pac>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>joey  taking abath and not saying a word at all
lol was that serious or a mis quote
and ur point of talkn about joey is talking about a  list from nowadays ???
dont matter if the olist was made today ,last year or 10 years from now
joemor ethan likely wont make the list
now he crazy and nice dont get me wrong but more than likely 10 yrs from now kid swill say joe who???
now that dont mena he doesnt deserve to make the list but its just shows

if you ask me mos def>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joey on some real shit and will kick knowledge
joe want to be considered so lyrical without alot of substance or a track record ,i respect him but illseed said it best respect ya elders ,joe might still be on that corner with cracks in his pocket if not for mel and meth be fro real

and how he go at them when you had crazy bubble gum rappers on that list be real
shit he couldnt even make it past game
how you think he gone do with meth???he need to
be mad at game for ending his career early !!!!!

lol side note he did get at jigga tho real tuff

shout out to meth and mel and joey buddens tho i cant even front i like dude but he need some humble pie
May 15, 2009 1:34 PM
 

Above All said:

all joey said was in the year 2009 if these dudes were to stand i front of him and have a rapp off he would win...

methodman im not so sure about but mel was never really an amzing lyricist and today i think buddens would eat him much like Krs did back in the day
May 15, 2009 1:36 PM
 

london_town said:

Budden need to sit down and shut the fuck up...Mel shouldn't have even responded to the idiot...

-----------------------------------------------------

London stand up!!
May 15, 2009 1:37 PM
 

Funny LMAO Melle Mel Sons Joe Budden - Hip Hop Board said:

May 15, 2009 1:42 PM
 

b-girl said:

I agree with Budden.
May 15, 2009 1:42 PM
 

JayAllah said:

melle mel is a pioneer............

but he would still get ripped by buddens.....

i dont know why these cats going back and forth about a dumb list... its funny how rappers would always spit in there rhymes of how THEY ARE THE BEST and its cool, but when just say they are the best in a conversation, it becomes controversial...



so lets lay it to rest..
May 15, 2009 1:43 PM
 

Above All said:

THE LIST ISNT ABOUT WHO HAD THE BEST CAREER....

is says

"BEST RAPPER"

nothing shud go into it besides lyrical content
May 15, 2009 1:44 PM
 

Al1963 said:

Buddens is a ho ass nigga for crying over a hip-hop list vibe put out...that doesn't even mean shit. to disrespect a pioneer in the game is wack and that's why outside of Illseed and his internet soldiers NOBODY FUCKS WIT THIS DUDE..........his second CD pushed like 15,000 units............THAT IS AN EPIC FAIL...LOL
May 15, 2009 1:44 PM
 

Breed500 said:

@Skillmatic11

you made some valid points regarding Joe and i feel you on the Beat Street comment,that´s like comparing Suger Hill gang to De la Soul but, saying that respect is optional is just wrong...I can tell that you know about hip hop. You´re not a Wayne fan i gather..me neither but I respect son´s grind and dedication to the fullest..Joe doesn´t have to respect Melle Mel as an MC..but to actually not respect his grind..SMH...Out with the old and in with the new is fine by me..but to co sign disrespectful conduct (and it was,even if he was right ) makes your arguments,seem unbalanced and biased..you can and should do better next time...much respect..I´m not with the namecalling and immature E thuggin.. One
May 15, 2009 1:49 PM
 

curtis75black said:

Joey was probably talking to those internet fans who started checking for Hip Hop around Nas enterance. He ain't speaking for someone like me who not only knows the GrandMaster personally but his family also !! He ain't speaking to the elder fans of Hip Hop, speaking to the kids coming up who thinks it's all about their era. If this is about the total package, Joey hasn't achieved it yet. He's basically a 1 hit wonder with alot of tracks on the net that are hot !! He definitely needs to fall back Seriously and trust me, If the those 3 quarters of the Slaughterhouse know their shit like they proclaim, they won't even get involved because they know better. Probably smacked his ass across the Head for that statement.
May 15, 2009 1:50 PM
 

hiphop82tonow said:

it's like meth said, "I'll make it so hot, niggas wont even stand next to you." ! (Wu/onyx joint) aint shit changed. lol
Big up to Mel to civilize these savages on how this shit is supposed to go down.
May 15, 2009 1:51 PM
 

Breed500 said:

@Skillmatic11

you made some valid points regarding Joe and i feel you on the Beat Street comment,that´s like comparing Suger Hill gang to De la Soul but, saying that respect is optional is just wrong...I can tell that you know about hip hop. You´re not a Wayne fan i gather..me neither but I respect son´s grind and dedication to the fullest..Joe doesn´t have to respect Melle Mel as an MC..but to actually not respect his grind..SMH...Out with the old and in with the new is fine by me..but to co sign disrespectful conduct (and it was,even if he was right ) makes your arguments,seem unbalanced and biased..you can and should do better next time...much respect..I´m not with the namecalling and immature E thuggin.. One
May 15, 2009 1:57 PM
 

Six6SoCaliGuy said:

JOEY GET OFF YA HIGH HORSE!! YOUNG NIGGAS LACK RESPECT!!!

WESTIIIDDDEEEE!!!
May 15, 2009 2:03 PM
 

MONOLITHICPAW said:

So disrespectful, Its like when Nelly went at Krs. or Hammer at Run Dmc, New arrtists gotta earn their way. and You cant dis any of the fore fathers. as a matter of fact it is probably best to gracefully bow out. I think cannibis song was better than LL's but L won because of who he is and what he has done for the game. newbies need to stop dissing and just do like that article said...  " Do something I aint done, Knock me off my square. Joes dope. but his whole body of work will never do for hip hop what Mel's the message has done.
May 15, 2009 2:08 PM
 

MONOLITHICPAW said:

So disrespectful, Its like when Nelly went at Krs. or Hammer at Run Dmc, New arrtists gotta earn their way. and You cant dis any of the fore fathers. as a matter of fact it is probably best to gracefully bow out. I think cannibis song was better than LL's but L won because of who he is and what he has done for the game. newbies need to stop dissing and just do like that article said...  " Do something I aint done, Knock me off my square. Joes dope. but his whole body of work will never do for hip hop what Mel's the message has done.
May 15, 2009 2:08 PM
 

MONOLITHICPAW said:

So disrespectful, Its like when Nelly went at Krs. or Hammer at Run Dmc, New arrtists gotta earn their way. and You cant dis any of the fore fathers. as a matter of fact it is probably best to gracefully bow out. I think cannibis song was better than LL's but L won because of who he is and what he has done for the game. newbies need to stop dissing and just do like that article said...  " Do something I aint done, Knock me off my square. Joes dope. but his whole body of work will never do for hip hop what Mel's the message has done.
May 15, 2009 2:08 PM
 

42wo non-fakin said:

I Agree With Budden!

You Were Also The First Rapper to Become a Stripper!

Blow That Outcha Barrels!


These Rappers Think they can't get it Because of the Respect Factor THE TRUTH is if you can't fucking rap then you can't fucking rap.

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE EARNED RESPECT FROM BEING A PIONEER DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE CAN'T SAY YOU WEREN'T ONE OF THE BEST TO EVER DO IT!

FOR THE RECORD THE LAST POETS WERE THE FIRST RAP GROUP YOU MOTHERFUCKAZ!


Hey One To Grow On: Melle Mel Was the First Rapper To Be a Stripper Now You Close to The Balls of Everybody Fuck your Image! Shit Weird Like Rick James in a Pool Pit!!!
May 15, 2009 2:08 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

@Above All said:
THE LIST ISNT ABOUT WHO HAD THE BEST CAREER....

is says

"BEST RAPPER"

nothing shud go into it besides lyrical content
===============================================

I agree and disagree

Being a rapper or emcee is more than lyrical content

It has always been judged 1st on "moving the crowd"

the entertaining value, the embiance, the flow, delivery, word play, lyrics and subject matter all make that up


Joey aint moving nobody but a select few

Mel has proven he has moved people

Mef...no doubt! He is a head-noddin emcee and one helluva live preformer (Hard Knocks Life Tour with Jigga, DMX, and Red proved that outside of all the Wu ones)

Who in the hell goes to Joe Buddens show...leavin amped and charged up like, yo....."did you SEE That ISH???" i doubt very seriously...
maybe he'll get a "yo, do you hear that line he just said???"

If it didnt happen for Buddens yet...it prolly wont at all

Then again it took til 2007-2008 for people to become Wayniacs and that lil nigga been around since 95-96, ya know?

Do you see where I'm going, bro?


U dont tug on Superman's cape

or like my homie on here, JDub says

"Dont pee on my leg, and tell me its raining"

Word up!
May 15, 2009 2:09 PM
 

Oye Bang! said:

Maybe Joe was a lil disrespectful in his approach, but what he said was dead on! TODAY he is the better rapper. As far as Method Man, I think he's better than Meth too. No disrespect.

It's just like NBA, NFL, MLB so on and so forth. Everybody has their favorites and they'll argue to the death that their team is better! Are the NY Jets better than the Miami Dolphins?? I say NO! I'm a Miami Fan, they won the AFC East last year, so that makes them better than the Patriots and the Bills too! I don't care what the power rankings say!

Niggas need to stop overblowing the shit. Have them all Mic up and spit back and forth and see who is who they say they are! Put ya ego to the side and go in!
May 15, 2009 2:10 PM
 

Im_Lux said:

nyga07 said:
Im_Lux
u said u cant put pac and big on a list with buddens
what u smoking
big>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joey with lyrics anyday without boring you to death
pac>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>joey  taking abath and not saying a word at all
lol was that serious or a mis quote

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You're taking what i said out of context...what i mean was that joey's got lyrics for DAYS...but you can't sit there and say that joey has what big and pac had or vice versa....neither one of pac or big had wordplay like joey and anyone would be a retard or idiot to say otherwise...but then again joey can't make songs like pac or big or move anyone like pac or big and you'd once again be an idiot or retard to believe otherwise...they are two different classes of artists pac and big are in the same type lane where as joey is way off on a completely different interstate.  Don't get it twisted I in NO WAY said anything about joey being someone i think is better than pac or big or vice versa...I just was saying there's no comparison seeing as it's like asking if tiger woods is better than micheal jordan unless they both play golf the fk you gonna say?
May 15, 2009 2:10 PM
 

Allahschild said:

I agree with the some of the points both sides made. On influence and importance to the culture Joe is nowhere near Mel. But I can't be mad at Joey for this one. He challenged them on lyrical levels. Isn't that the same thing we call complained about during the 50-Ross fiasco? That they spent their time focusing on everything else but showing who was the better artist?

We may also recall 2 snot-nosed punks named KRS-One and Scott La Rock who called about an established star in MC Shan in a similiar albeit more disrespectful way.

I have no qualms about Budden's boasts as long as he can back them up. Which means he now either needs to take Meth's offer of doing a song together or meeting "face to face" for a battle. No backing down now...
May 15, 2009 2:12 PM
 

42wo non-fakin said:

I Agree With Budden!

You Were Also The First Rapper to Become a Stripper!

Blow That Outcha Barrels!


These Rappers Think they can't get it Because of the Respect Factor THE TRUTH is if you can't fucking rap then you can't fucking rap.

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE EARNED RESPECT FROM BEING A PIONEER DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE CAN'T SAY YOU WEREN'T ONE OF THE BEST TO EVER DO IT!

FOR THE RECORD THE LAST POETS WERE THE FIRST RAP GROUP YOU MOTHERFUCKAZ!


Hey One To Grow On: Melle Mel Was the First Rapper To Be a Stripper Now You Close to The Balls of Everybody Fuck your Image! Shit Weird Like Rick James in a Pool Pit!!!
May 15, 2009 2:13 PM
 

bufezy said:

This shit is about timing. You look at the way you dressed in middle school and look at the way you dress now. Times have change so to somebody today joe is hotter than mel, but if you ask my uncles they would say rappers today is not fuckin with mel.  They did it without the net, without all the promotion, glitz and glamour, no pro tools, no myspace or you tube. Thats what make them so cold and original. Everybody don't like the shit budden say or think he is  the hottest rapper out. Budden in his era don't compare to mel in his era. We don't even hear about that nigga in the streets down south and thats not to say he's not a lyricist but to say niggaz is not checking for him. At the end of the day you want to sale records and joey is not doing that and if it wasn't for his girl friend he would be irrelevant.
May 15, 2009 2:15 PM
 

theillseed said:

 
Skillmatic11 said:
2)To defend the lyrical superiority debate, can any of the Melle Mel backers, recite a Melle Mel verse from memory??
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you must be 13

fam, i thought Mel did a good job of running down his accolades at the beginning of the vid...there's not much more to be said. if you  arent late 20s or 30-plus, why is the hell would yo know his verses from memory? second, you you claim to be hip hop, you'd just shut up about it. somebody said it, Mel is a legend...he paved the way. he's got stripes for CENTURIES. like, if rap died today, and in 500 years they look at hip hop...they are going to mention Mel, Flash, and the furious 5...PERIOD.

who cares if you know his bars or not. beat street should be enuff but if its not...SO. who are you (not Skillmatic11 personally, but people in general)? uhmmmmm? I'm right in the middle. I respect BOTH of these dudes, but i gotta call it how i see it.

Joe is a new breed of MC of the late 90s type so he's "related" to mel in that mel was the BEST EVER of the pre-Run DMC  era.
May 15, 2009 2:17 PM
 

GreasySurpreme said:

Why????
May 15, 2009 2:18 PM
 

KMSchi said:

Really...look, being a legend doesnt make you good. luke is a legend...Too short is a legend. MC Hammer is a legend. Shit, Will Smith is a legend. Theyre all on the list too. But is all honesty, am I supposed to cosign that EVER in his career that Melle Mel would out rap Buddens? Really?

See the problem with hip hop is that its all about status and persona, not talent. I mean, jay Z is still holding on, even though his lyrics have been on the decline for years. nas on the other hand is still doing it, but he doesnt get the screen time. lupe is better than the entire list as far as word play and flow...he'd shit on Melle Mel. Busta Rhymes is seen as a joke, but lyrically, he will smash most niggas.

rick ross can't rap, but he's got that weak ass fake drug dealer persona, so people eat it up.

Hip Hop has become a reality show. The problem with that is reality TV is fake as hell. these artist are fake as hell. Now the fans are fake as hell.

MC HAmmer is 2 Legit to quit...

Melle Mel aint done shit lately except for a skit on Chapelle Show season 3

Budden will shit on MOST of that list, lyrically, hands down. yes MOST.

And to be so hard, these rap niggas are really sensitive...like a clit.
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www.myspace.com/KMSEntertainment
www.twitter...nah...fuck that corny shit.
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Really...look, being a legend doesnt make you good. luke is a legend...Too short is a legend. MC Hammer is a legend. Shit, Will Smith is a legend. Theyre all on the list too. But is all honesty, am I supposed to cosign that EVER in his career that Melle Mel would out rap Buddens? Really?

See the problem with hip hop is that its all about status and persona, not talent. I mean, jay Z is still holding on, even though his lyrics have been on the decline for years. nas on the other hand is still doing it, but he doesnt get the screen time. lupe is better than the entire list as far as word play and flow...he'd shit on Melle Mel. Busta Rhymes is seen as a joke, but lyrically, he will smash most niggas.

rick ross can't rap, but he's got that weak ass fake drug dealer persona, so people eat it up.

Hip Hop has become a reality show. The problem with that is reality TV is fake as hell. these artist are fake as hell. Now the fans are fake as hell.

MC HAmmer is 2 Legit to quit...

Melle Mel aint done shit lately except for a skit on Chapelle Show season 3

Budden will shit on MOST of that list, lyrically, hands down. yes MOST.

And to be so hard, these rap niggas are really sensitive...like a clit.
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KMSchi
www.myspace.com/KMSEntertainment
www.twitter...nah...fuck that corny shit.
Chicago
May 15, 2009 2:20 PM
 

BeatsByNonsense said:

Joe Budden needs to drop a classic album before he gets his panties all knotted up over somebody's list.  He surprised me with his latest album...He dropped all of his conceptual/creative tracks for the videos and filled the rest of the album with some rap and bullshit.  Most artists put their songs for the ladies out as the singles and keep the good shit hidden in the album....Not Joey though.

www.myspace.com/beatsbynonsense
May 15, 2009 2:20 PM
 

bufezy said:

At the end of the day Joey take a L because the nigga got sensitive over somebody elses opinion. If vibe like Mel over you then O well nigga go make some more music. This just go to show this nigga surround hisself with yes men and people who tell him what he want to hear.  To make the video and say the shit he said make it seem he don't have shit going on. I bet Royse, Crooked and Ortiz is like shut the fuck up nigga and lets do work..
May 15, 2009 2:23 PM
 

KMSchi said:

oh and as far as melle mel being "the best of  the pre-run DMC era"...thats not even a legit argument. I can say that about anything. Such and such is the best of the something better than it that came afterwards era.

in other words...
Saturday is the best of the pre Sunday days from last week.

Slavery was the best of the pre-emancipation black America (it was the only)

late night Cinemax was the best of pre-fucking TV watching when i was a teen.

You see what I'm saying?
(all said with a smile on my face...don't come at me all crazy like I disrespected you. check the egos folk)

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oh and as far as melle mel being "the best of  the pre-run DMC era"...thats not even a legit argument. I can say that about anything. Such and such is the best of the something better than it that came afterwards era.

in other words...
Saturday is the best of the pre Sunday days from last week.

Slavery was the best of the pre-emancipation black America (it was the only)

late night Cinemax was the best of pre-fucking TV watching when i was a teen.

You see what I'm saying?
(all said with a smile on my face...don't come at me all crazy like I disrespected you. check the egos folk)

KMS Chi
May 15, 2009 2:26 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@bufezy

but then niggas got sensitive to his comments. EVERYBODY is sensitive like clits...

the only catch is that Joey was complainign about his place on the list. if you think youre good and not getting your fair shake, complain. Take action. Vibe wont change the list, but its good to point out how full of shit that list is.
May 15, 2009 2:29 PM
 

Thasikkis said:

Budden has "angered" 3 guys so far lol
May 15, 2009 2:37 PM
 

livewyre10 said:

How can anyone say melle mel is not a dope M.C.? two words: the message! fuck outta here! that song holds up till this very day!
May 15, 2009 2:45 PM
 

bufezy said:

KMSchi said:
@bufezy

but then niggas got sensitive to his comments. EVERYBODY is sensitive like clits...

the only catch is that Joey was complainign about his place on the list. if you think youre good and not getting your fair shake, complain. Take action. Vibe wont change the list, but its good to point out how full of shit that list is.

Come on bro, we would have read that list and said the same thang without him complaining. Thats like a critic given scarface 3 stars, we don't care because we going to get his album anyway. If joey want to complain then do it and mention just yourself and why he should be higher on the list. You don't have to shit on everybody above you on the list to make yourself look better, thats all I'm saying fam.  I bet you this nigga regret that shit now. Niggaz been getting bad album reviews for years and haven't made a you tube about it.  
May 15, 2009 2:47 PM
 

Don Blake said:

Melle mel was talking about people being slaves to computers back in 84 and 25 years laters your ass is on allhiphop.com defending some drug addict rapper who can't do shit in his career off a computer. Bogus

Joe Budden is standing on the backs of niggas on Melle Mel shoulders. Nigga want to apologize to Royce and Saigon on some stop the beef shit, but he can go at retired niggas. He better worry about putting his wife out ther eon the strip. She gon get her own site and leave that nigga fro someoen who can sell more than 27 albums.

Again challenging a dude whose prime was a quarter of a century ago is like Usain Bolt challenging Jesse Owens to a race.
May 15, 2009 2:52 PM
 

walnizzie said:

Melly mel around the mouth the thorat area of hip-hop.
Joe budden is around the ass crack the ball sack of hip-hop.

That's how you know Melly Mel stil got it.

May 15, 2009 2:53 PM
 

xFlipZx said:

HOW is this nigga even talking!!! he had one hit!...one hit wonder as nigga..Mel put shotgun holes in the game...this nigga didn't even make a mark...he gonna make a group he not even nicest in it..joel, crook is way better than him
May 15, 2009 2:53 PM
 

Asher "Black Bomb" Sommer said:

What's wrong with Budden, this Nigga is seriously looking
for attention.

Man, make better music. Battle only proves you know how

to flow, but there is no Budden track that went down

in Hip-Hop history. And "pump It Up" already killed hos career.
May 15, 2009 2:56 PM
 

KMSchi said:

yall trippin.

@bufezy

The list is shit, I said that the day before i saw the budden video. Plies, MC Hammer, Bizmarkie...come on!! Its about lyrics. Melle Mel was cool for his time...the art form was new. I'm not even saying he is bad. But by today's lyrical standard...and not that goon music (gucci mane) Mel would lose. He would, if the people judging werent bias because of his legend status. i bet if melle Mel came out with an album, NONE of us would blink. I wouldn't even Limewire the shit.

I like Meth, i own everything he has made, solo and group. But as an unbias fan...he would lose the battle.

a bunch of people complained about that bull shit ass list on youtube. look it up. joe just happens to be one of the most famous.

I mean, Lupe isn't on the list. How is that even possible? Too Short is on there. See, if they had named the list something else, we wouldnt be having the discussion.
May 15, 2009 3:04 PM
 

Chi-Town Jay said:

LMBAO@ "He's around the ass or ball sack of hip hop"  Now that's funny!!
May 15, 2009 3:05 PM
 

Smooth_operator said:

DAmmmmn Buttens having a period
I see this nigga going @ Pac & Big L next week

Yo Ill wassup with Remy ?
May 15, 2009 3:05 PM
 

TiKKet said:

is that list the best lyricists of all time or the best rappers ??

cuz if its the best rappers, then I would think they mean the best rap artist all around, not just lyrics. And Joe Budden is a sick lyricist but no way should he even be on the list if it's best overall rappers.
May 15, 2009 3:09 PM
 

KillaKam36 said:

stop saying buddens a lyricist hes NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT and will NEVERRRRR be idc..ive heard his new shit hes GARBAGE..damn
May 15, 2009 3:10 PM
 

gorgan said:

FUCK IT I'M GONNA DO ANOTHER LONG ASS COMMENT

Budden has never followed up the "Jump Off" joint and to cosign "BeatsByNonsense" he hasn't made a classic LP for someone who talks himself up so much and  it is kind of distasteful to diss the pioneeers who fathered this here

but to counter that Melle Mel hasn't had a dope record out since some people near 30 years of age who listen to rap was born and like Illseed said why should the young uns no his lyrics off by heart

Plus Melle has a reputation for being a bit of a cry baby , he was criticising Biggie and Pac saying hes the G.O.A.T not them when in all truth he shouldn't even call Biggies name because Biggie was on another level

And i remember Pac out of respect for the oldskool tried to get him back in the game just before his untimely demise

I can name a avalanche of emcees who have surpassed Melle Mel since he was the Don , I always though Kool Moe Dee and Grandmaster Caz where if not better always in contention for the OLDSKOOL DON EMCEE TITLE

And i recall one story , which i can't remember all the facts but i think  it was at a Seminar in the early 90's or late 80's he had to battle  Mikey D who later became the frontman for the Main Source and i can't remember the outcome of the battle but by all accounts he wasn't satisfied with the outcome and Melle just picked up the trophy and walked out the spot with it

Bottomline though
When Melle dropped the "Message" and hits like "White Lines" and "Gold" with Flash and the Furious 5 He was the Don

If Joey Budden or his fans believe that Budden is or ever has been the Don or anywhere near a SERIOUS TOP 10 LIST , It simply ain't true or in anyway accurate

And as Tupac said in regards to his situation and relationship with Melle Mel , to paraphrase

I appreciate i'm the Don now but he [Melle Mel] use to be the Don and i respect that , because the message did inspire me so he gets a pass , and even though i'm the Don now if i see someone who use to be the Don give that man a chair or table before me , because i know it took something for him to be the man when he was  

better to have been the man and a hasbeen than to be a wannabe who never was Joe calling out legends like Melle and Met doesn't make you a G.O.A.T YOU GOTTA GO OUT AND MAKE THE MUSIC AND PROVE IT  
May 15, 2009 3:10 PM
 

Smooth_operator said:

BTW How the fuck did they put Solja Boy in 2pac's bracket , WTF is wrong with them

Funny to see Lil Wayne vs Trina and Kanye vs Foxy (Both faggets nuff said)
May 15, 2009 3:10 PM
 

Equalizerset said:

I THINK MELLE MEL DID SON JOE BUDDENS.....BUT NOW I'MA GO COP THE JOE BUDDEN C.D.  I NEVER PAYED MUCH ATTENTION TO JOE BUDDENS REALY, JUST i'M FOR THE HUNGRY M.C., AND I FEEL BUDDENS IS HUNGRY....FOR HIM TO GO THRU ALL THIS TROUBLE...MUCH RESPECT TO MELLE MEL BUT ITS TIME FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO SHINE....OVERALL MELLE WILL ALWAYS BE THE GREATER INFLUENCE BUT HIP HOP IS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY AND TO SPEAKING UR MIND....LET JOE TRY AND GET HIS.....
May 15, 2009 3:12 PM
 

Chi-Town Jay said:

EDOGZ818 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pto8SbHIcMQ&feature=fvsr

@ 4:20 Budden's man get the tears slapped outta of him on some rap beef! LMFAO! @ Him getting slapped back into his house!
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That's fuckin hilarious!!!  LMBAO
May 15, 2009 3:14 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@KillaKam36 said:

He is though. But its your opinion. who is a lyricist to you? You better name some good people man...
May 15, 2009 3:14 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@KillaKam36 said:

He is though. But its your opinion. who is a lyricist to you? You better name some good people man...
May 15, 2009 3:15 PM
 

Armorking said:

Here is the fact, there is going to be a point in history (god willing) where a rapper will be better than all the great rapper today. Music evolves, grows etc.

Melle as a pioneer should be aware of this and WELCOME it. Because isnt HipHop suppose to be bigger than a great rapper?
May 15, 2009 3:17 PM
 

KMSchi said:

that legends shit is played out. If people are looking for some good joe Budden shit...download the Mood Muzik series.

Fuck Melle Mel...don't push me, cause i'm close to the edggggeeeeee.

May 15, 2009 3:19 PM
 

KMSchi said:

that legends shit is played out. If people are looking for some good joe Budden shit...download the Mood Muzik series.

Fuck Melle Mel...don't push me, cause i'm close to the edggggeeeeee.

May 15, 2009 3:19 PM
 

JonLakaDeadMic said:

fuck joe budden
May 15, 2009 3:20 PM
 

Chi-Town Jay said:

 
42wo non-fakin said:
I Agree With Budden!

You Were Also The First Rapper to Become a Stripper!

Blow That Outcha Barrels!


These Rappers Think they can't get it Because of the Respect Factor THE TRUTH is if you can't fucking rap then you can't fucking rap.

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE EARNED RESPECT FROM BEING A PIONEER DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE CAN'T SAY YOU WEREN'T ONE OF THE BEST TO EVER DO IT!

FOR THE RECORD THE LAST POETS WERE THE FIRST RAP GROUP YOU MOTHERFUCKAZ!


Hey One To Grow On: Melle Mel Was the First Rapper To Be a Stripper Now You Close to The Balls of Everybody Fuck your Image! Shit Weird Like Rick James in a Pool Pit!!!
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–noun
1. a platform or raised structure in a church, from which the sermon is delivered or the service is conducted.
2. the pulpit,
a. the clerical profession; the ministry.
b. members of the clergy collectively: In attendance were representatives of medicine, the pulpit, and the bar.
3. (esp. in Protestantism and Judaism) the position of pastor or rabbi: He heard of a pulpit in Chicago that was about to be vacated.
4. preaching.
5. (in small craft)
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Origin:
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May 15, 2009 3:23 PM
 

KMSchi said:

oh, and let me just say this to start an argument. Tupac...lyrically...reallly vs Biggie lyrically.

We are talking about lyrics...bar for bar. I'd rather complain about Soulja Boy being on the list...or plies instead of Melle Mel.

that Vibe shit is a gimic. Eminem got a first round bye.

Its set up to end with eminem vs Rakim, Tupac vs Biggie....or Jay Z vs Nas. Just look at it. they even got random pairings like 50 cent vs Rick ross or LL cool J vs canibus...Really? those just HAPPENED to fall that way? Really?

VIBE is lovin all this shit because our dumb asses is discussing parts of this list that is complete bullshit.

A More positive not...

Busta, Eminem, Red and Meth on Tuesday...
go buy that shit.

Stanky Leg has taken over...a 14 year old think ALL these niggas is wack, so everybody relax
May 15, 2009 3:24 PM
 

bufezy said:

KMSchi said:
yall trippin.

@bufezy

The list is shit, I said that the day before i saw the budden video. Plies, MC Hammer, Bizmarkie...come on!! Its about lyrics. Melle Mel was cool for his time...the art form was new. I'm not even saying he is bad. But by today's lyrical standard...and not that goon music (gucci mane) Mel would lose. He would, if the people judging werent bias because of his legend status. i bet if melle Mel came out with an album, NONE of us would blink. I wouldn't even Limewire the shit.

I like Meth, i own everything he has made, solo and group. But as an unbias fan...he would lose the battle.

a bunch of people complained about that bull shit ass list on youtube. look it up. joe just happens to be one of the most famous.

I mean, Lupe isn't on the list. How is that even possible? Too Short is on there. See, if they had named the list something else, we wouldnt be having the discussion.

I feal you bro, but it sounds better coming from you then joe. I wouldn't have no problem if joe didn't mention other rappers to make his self look good. In this game you got to understand that everybody is not going to like you for what ever reason. This list i put together somebody will have a problem with. if joe going to complain about every article then he will never have time to make music. Imagine if Obama responded to fox news everyday.
May 15, 2009 3:26 PM
 

bufezy said:

KMSchi said:
oh, and let me just say this to start an argument. Tupac...lyrically...reallly vs Biggie lyrically.

We are talking about lyrics...bar for bar. I'd rather complain about Soulja Boy being on the list...or plies instead of Melle Mel.

that Vibe shit is a gimic. Eminem got a first round bye.

Its set up to end with eminem vs Rakim, Tupac vs Biggie....or Jay Z vs Nas. Just look at it. they even got random pairings like 50 cent vs Rick ross or LL cool J vs canibus...Really? those just HAPPENED to fall that way? Really?

VIBE is lovin all this shit because our dumb asses is discussing parts of this list that is complete bullshit.

A More positive not...

Busta, Eminem, Red and Meth on Tuesday...
go buy that shit.

Stanky Leg has taken over...a 14 year old think ALL these niggas is wack, so everybody relax


I would have to agree with the vibe gimmick part.
May 15, 2009 3:28 PM
 

TruthInScience said:

You know Im reading all these comments, and I can honestly say 99% of ya'll have no idea what the fuck ya'll talking about. Joe Buddens is a loser straight up, and the argument about lyrics and "TODAY" is weak and pathetic. When ya'll youngans finally get off your mother's tit and become a man amongst your people, accomplishing things in your life, then you will understand what Melle Mel is talking about. This brother don't need to make another album or prove to little kids he still got it. He knows, and the Men in Hip Hop knows it. He has accomplishments that most of ya'll will never see in your life. Joe Buddens has never and will never make an imprint in Hip Hop that Melle Mel, the architect, has made. Hence, Joe Buddens, shut the your mouth. The reason that most kids today don't know Mel's rhymes is the same reason they don't know any Black History: they are waiting for white people to teach it to them. Men, that know the history and done the research understand Melle Mel's point. It was a very good one at that.
May 15, 2009 3:31 PM
 

Isis said:

You guys don't seem to understand. This has gone beyond simple opinon, and simple constructive critisizing. Joe is flat out being disrespectful now. I don't know why you guys don't get that. The Vibe list wasn't who can do what in 2009. The list asid best rapper of all time. It didn't state an age or time frame for that. Joe simply caught feelings, because they rated Meth and some others higher than him. So he got upset, because he did not get that respect and recognition. He craves that but doesn't get it. And rightfully so, he shouldn't get it. What has he done in Hip Hop to deserve such an honor. All he had to do was say,, the Vibe list was wack, and leave it at that. No he had to have a fit and start popping off at the mouth, for people who did the ground work for him to be here.
May 15, 2009 3:36 PM
 

John5153 said:

DANG JOE? BUT THAT IS THE STRAIN BETWEEN HIP HOP RIGHT THERE.... JAY TO WEEZY LUDA TO SOUJA BOY...... THAT WHAT MAKES RAP..... WELL RAP
May 15, 2009 3:36 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

LMAO@ Chi-Town Jay

nigga went and got the dictionary and errthang...LMAO
May 15, 2009 3:39 PM
 

Skillmatic11 said:

My main point, and maybe I didn't make this clear in the first post, is that JOEY didn't disrespect him! He said Melle would not be able to fuck with him in this point and time in their careers. And anyone that believes that is just being foolish. Yes I'm Joey fan, I'm fan of pioneers of hip hop, but legendary does not always equate to BETTER THAN. And now that I think about it, we cannot even compare eras. What was hot in '83 will NOT be hot in '03. You can make the point for personal taste and what YOU the opinionated think is hot.

@Ill I respect your opinion, as for who I am...I am a critic AND a fan. We are ALL critics and fans. And far as centuries from now, I doubt if 75% of hip hop fans born after '90 KNOW who Melle Mel is today!. Its not from a lack of respect, its just that other artist have come and improved upon or in some cases CRUSHED what he has started.
May 15, 2009 3:39 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@TruthInScience

Fuck you talkin about? the white man has nothing to do with any of this.

i don't know black history because its history...Im future focused. Niggas that live in the past get stuck there. he hasn't made an impact as far as the main stream, but neither has most of the best niggas around. Melle Mel neds to cut out fuckin with them roids and chill. I'm not on budden's nuts either. I respect the dude, so its whatever.

Most kids today don't know Mel's rhymes because they don't care. I'm not a kid, but i dont really care either. Everybody doesnt listen to everything...but if youre going to argue a point, be able to back it up. I feel that if you posted some Melle Mel yrics (ANYBODY) and i threw up some Joe Budden, there would be a clear winner. i wouldn't even say anything. Everybody else on here could jude. somebody goes pull up some raw ass mel lyrics. Anybody...
May 15, 2009 3:42 PM
 

LDN_N9NE said:

First off, loads of people sleep on  Joe. His music is more then just punchlines, and hes more then a battle rapper.

That said, he has to stop this. I understand what he's saying, I understand that he's saying look, take away the legendary status, who would be better lyrically if you gave me and Meth a mic right now.

But this isn't going to achieve anything. Joe needs to concentrate on making music. He needs to concentrate on the Slaughterhouse movement. That movement has the potential to go really far. Why raise negativity?

As a fan, I just want Joe to keep making good music and avoid this unnecessary negative attention.
May 15, 2009 3:46 PM
 

RudePeruano said:

JOE IS A GOOD LYRICIST BUT HE HAD THIS COMIN TO HIM !!! I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN !!!
May 15, 2009 3:49 PM
 

TruthInScience said:

@KMSchi

You are just a little kid in your room/dorm room, never been anywhere or accomplished anything of importance. Men on these boards can tell. When you do accomplish something and grow some hair on your balls, then you can come holla at me. Until then, we a man speaks the truth, you just need to marinate on what is said and think. Your lack of knowledge of history is not cause you are "future focus" it's because you are ignorant. You are happy to wallow in it, since ignorance is bliss. Don't get offended when a man is telling you the truth. Now get off the computer and go accomplish something worthwhile.
May 15, 2009 3:53 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

@ KMschi

It aint all 100% about lyrics! Its the WHOLE package

Joe aint captivating enough or like i posted earlier "moving the crowd) like others do...therefore his low end rating.
A spitter true indeed...but thats about it

Why you think he conceded in the vid when paired up against Rakim tha God, a true MC (move the crowd)

Dont be mad, I know better spitters (& more established) than him that get the same iggin treatment

ie

Black Thought
Phonte from Little Brother
Q-tip
Crooked I (how funny, Joe is the 3rd or 4th best in SH)
Masta Ace



May 15, 2009 3:57 PM
 

Co3z said:

Joe Buddens is diggin his own grave yall like him but not me and im not saying he cant spit but, his voice and his flow is so fuckin boring hes like the Tim Duncan of Hip Hop Mel is right about one thing Joe Buddens has never made an imprint with a song or album and I believe he is the the weakest link in the Slaughterhouse crew I have Royce,Joell and Crooked I waaaaaaay ahead of him he needs to sit down somewhere and STFU
May 15, 2009 4:04 PM
 

Co3z said:

Joe Buddens is diggin his own grave yall like him but not me and im not saying he cant spit but, his voice and his flow is so fuckin boring hes like the Tim Duncan of Hip Hop Mel is right about one thing Joe Buddens has never made an imprint with a song or album and I believe he is the the weakest link in the Slaughterhouse crew I have Royce,Joell and Crooked I waaaaaaay ahead of him he needs to sit down somewhere and STFU
May 15, 2009 4:04 PM
 

Co3z said:

Joe Buddens is diggin his own grave yall like him but not me and im not saying he cant spit but, his voice and his flow is so fuckin boring hes like the Tim Duncan of Hip Hop Mel is right about one thing Joe Buddens has never made an imprint with a song or album and I believe he is the the weakest link in the Slaughterhouse crew I have Royce,Joell and Crooked I waaaaaaay ahead of him he needs to sit down somewhere and STFU
May 15, 2009 4:04 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@TruthInScience
Fuck you. i tried to keep it cool. i'm just debating on here, and you gotta try and disrespect me. Wash that S-curl out your hair you corny ass fag...Im your 23 year old daddy. i never met you cause i didn't want your dumb ass. youre my only bastard child...maybe thats why youre bitter. move on bitch.

@Cresent City Connektor
thank you for keeping it cool. I agree. I like everybody on that list, and then talented people do get a bad push in the industry. you gotta have "swag" no days...the gayest word on earth.

i like some mainstream people...but not many. I won't even turn to BET (Black Evil Television, thank you boondocks for saying something)

And i would think he conceeded to Rakim not because he thought HE (talking about him) was better than him, but because he knew he didnt have a chance of getting past a legend.

A legend who got dropped from Aftermath may I mention. i like rakim too before niggas get mad at me, i'm just saying...they cant market Rakim so they dont fuck with him. they cant market joe so they dont fuck with him. if they can't market a person, they figure why bother.

i want my rappers to have more talent than swag.
Gucci!!!!! (that bullshit)
May 15, 2009 4:13 PM
 

Chi-Town Jay said:

 
Cresent City Connektor said:
LMAO@ Chi-Town Jay

nigga went and got the dictionary and errthang...LMAO
********************************************************
I'm just sayin.  LOL  I'm here for the brova man!  LMAO
May 15, 2009 4:18 PM
 

TruthInScience said:

@KMSchi

I imagine you saying your rant in your pre-pubescent high pitch voice. I only debate with my peers, all others I teach. I would suggest that you get someone to mentor you young man, you have too many woman tendencies by going off in that emotional rant. You are screaming for attention like a women in heat. As Common would say "I see the bitch in yoo". Take my suggestion to heart so you can learn to be a man.
May 15, 2009 4:25 PM
 

Killuminati 187 said:

lol....lol......lmaooo....
May 15, 2009 4:28 PM
 

Chi-Town Jay said:

The Message>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most of your favorite rappers career catalog.  
May 15, 2009 4:29 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

@KMSchi

It aint no thing man...i know how im am about people not gettin their "just due" by at the same thing i keep an open mind about whole picture at hand...at the end of the day, its their lives and lifestyle....why bug out over it?

I'm gonna bump what i like regardless, and keep it funky!!!


@True

Dont spill too much of that ether in here..its already flammable, as is! HOT TOPIC!!!! please go easy on the youngins

LoL

May 15, 2009 4:32 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@TruthInScience

hahahahaha...this guy is so...lame.
" imagine you saying your rant in your pre-pubescent high pitch voice."

If you'd like, i can say it calmer...with a deeper voice.

S curl man, i am sorry if you don't like the way that I’ve been typing on this open forum. i was simply attempting to have an open ended debate with intelligent people who would state their opinion and except mine without trying to be offensive. as you did start this, i felt it was my job to end it because I don't know you, nor do i care to. you seem like a man, if that is what you consider yourself, who is far too into himself and his opinion. you are attempting to show me how to be a man on a hip op website forum. please cease and desist. and please don't use Common’s lines to support your...uniqueness.

in other words, just let your Soul glow!! And since we're quoting rappers...

eat a dick up till you hiccup.

2 points.

KMSChi

May 15, 2009 4:34 PM
 

Cresent City Connektor said:

Whooaaa nelly!!!! Its gettin hot in here....LMAO!
May 15, 2009 4:39 PM
 

TruthInScience said:

@KMSchi

You are right youngin, you don't know me. My comments weren't directed at you, but if you wanted to share your comments with me, you need to do it with more precision and logic. If you are a man, it doesn't matter where you are, you act like a man. Your first post recked of ignorance and immaturity; hence, I'd address that. Stop the psychobabble and pseudo analysis. Just because you took a psychology class in high school doesn't mean you have the intellectual capacity to try to use it. Its quite embarrassing to see someone use that tactic since its so pathetic. Many of these comments you post are incoherent. Its like trying to decipher a screaming teenager's tearful rant. I ignore most of what you post. I still stand by my recommendations to you.

@ Triple C

Brother, Im just speaking the truth. We are men. Im not going to sugarcoat this for him. If he can't stand the heat....
May 15, 2009 4:48 PM
 

nyga07 said:

lmfao this shit is funny not the dictionary
oh back to my boy i was talkning to on the board


@   Im_Lux
u really dont think big could get at joey with wordplay
no disrespect when i ask this next ?
how old are you ?
do you have any of big old material ,clue freestyles ,etc etc
wordplay u say joe got big in wordplay????
i agree with everything else you said and i took a lil the wrong way
but wordplay
big would wipe his azz wit joey on a wordplay tip
big made sonsg like you said bcuz he wanted to get paid

plz do me the solid of putting 20 of joey best verses or something up so i can see how he got at big with wordplay
and pac and big where not the same they both rap about the same shit
but pac was way more deep in his music
big was just an mc at its best

i think jay said it best

just cuz u dont understand most of the shit he sayn dont mean he nice
just mean you dont understand half the bullshit that he write

now that dont really apply to joe fully  on the lyrical side bcuz he is nice but  it does to his rap career

big was painting pictures with his words and had ways to make u see it and refrence it to shit like potatoe chip makers and movie characters so u could see it ,joe at times just get you lost in a bunch a words, now if he was writing books i'd say he is nicer

and him opening his mouth is just making matters worse for him really he always crying and complaining and i repeat game dusted his azz off early and late and he aint even more lyrical

May 15, 2009 4:49 PM
 

Jay322 said:

@illseed I get where you coming from along wit Mel, but the thing is the list isnt about what have you done in the game the list is about the best rapper ever.  I aint gon lie Ive never really gotten into the Furious Five but do I know who they are hell yea cause Im a fan of hip hop.  I grew up listen to the like of Rakim Big Daddy Kane The D.O.C and people of that nature.  I mean when you look at this list it is a bunch of bs.  Like Joe said on Kay Slays show how can you put Kim, and Fox on that list or even Bow Wow when they didnt actually write their rhymes.  I mean its just like Joe said how can u have Canibus and Bow Wow around the same seed.  I mean honestly Lupe nor Kanye isnt on that list.  The list is bogus.  Im not knockin any of the legends they put on the list like Dougie or Biz but lyrical where do they stand in hip hop not 2 high.  Now was those guys a major part in developing hip hop into what it is today hell yea there is no denying that but you cant say that they should be on the list as one of the best to ever pic up a mic.  Mos Def was left off the list if my memory serves me correct,  I feel where Joe is coming from except for what he had to say about Method Man.   I honestly dont think Joe can fuck wit Meth and Im a fan of both their music.  I just posted a video on youtube on my thoughts on what Joe had to say about Method Man.   My thing with Joey is how can you go at Meth the only MC to be featured on a Pac or BIG album.  I mean this nigga has go when he spittin.  I think Joe is a monster and I appreciate Kay Slay keepin it all the way real wit Joey when Joe mentioned that if Meth bars are still hot.  As far as Melle Mel goes yea he is a legend but in his prime or now he cant fuck wit Joe lyrically.  That is just straight fact.

May 15, 2009 4:53 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@TruthInScience

scroll up...you started talking to me first. you typed a whole paragraph! I just don't appreciate this down talking like you somebody of substance or like youre important or better tha me. When it comes down to it, neither one of our opinions matter for nothing. The difference is I'm a "boy" who is respectable and youre a pig headed ass hole. You say what ever you want now, i'm done even considering your life.

Anyway, back to the topic and off this childish back and forth started by S-Curl...

Melle Mel and joe budden is the topic, right?
May 15, 2009 4:55 PM
 

KMSchi said:

Jay322 got it 100% correct.
May 15, 2009 4:58 PM
 

Isis said:

Skillmatic11 said:
My main point, and maybe I didn't make this clear in the first post, is that JOEY didn't disrespect him! He said Melle would not be able to fuck with him in this point and time in their careers.
.........................................................................................................................................................................

But that list wasn't about what you can do in 2009. It wasn't about current MC's. It wasn't about your career now. It said best rapper of all time, based on stats, career and status in the game. It wasn't about time frame or eras, it wasn't about age, it wasn't about what you can do now. That's what you're not understanding.

Bottom line, Joe got upset, because they put these people before him, based on respect, status in the game, and the work they did in Hip Hop. Joe caught feelings, because he didn't get the same respect these people got. And rightfully so, why should he? He didn't do nothing in Hip Hop to earn the honors they earned. So what he cn battle them in 2009. That's not what the Vibe thing was about. He only doing this, because he feels it will get him the respect he desparately craves. But guess what, it won't. Nobody cares that he can battle these people in 2009. It won't do nothing for him. Yes, he was being disrespectful. Homie was talking wreckless as far as I'm concerned. It's like dude, you're not even the best right now. You didn't even leave a dent in Hip Hop. Stop running your mouth period.
May 15, 2009 5:00 PM
 

Skeet Dirty said:

budden was talkin skills cuz it said "best rapper" not most accomplished or most well known.  if dude aint comin wit that hot 16, he can fall the fuck back...

to 1977
May 15, 2009 5:02 PM
 

TruthInScience said:

@ KMSchi

This is my last reply to you young one. Are you blind just as you are ignorant? My comments were addressed to the whole board. I have been on posting on AllHipHop when you were just old enough to drink. You are a nobody on my radar. You are correct about one thing you are a "boy" and Im a MAN. That is the difference. You should stay in your lane and not mess with the Lion. When you grow a pair, accomplish something in your life, learn how to make love to a woman and grow a family, you will understand where Im coming from. Until then, keep your mouth closed.
May 15, 2009 5:09 PM
 

Im_Lux said:

@nyga07

Yeah you're right big painted pictures blah blah blah blah we've been there...biggie was nice sure but biggie wasn't really that big on word play of course he'd kill a 16 quick but he wasn't really one of the insane wordplay type rappers...i mean damn why does everyone look at big and pac and automatically say they're the greatest dead or alive and no one can touch them just because the niggaz are dead.  They were GREAT but i mean fuck you do understand they aren't going to forever be the greatest to do EVERYTHING on some "just because" shit right?  Big just wasn't one of those that had all that wordplay he had some but he just didn't lace 16's with it the way budden does.  damn quit actin like i'm tryin to shit on biggie cuz i really don't wanna hear the "oh you're hatin on biggie" no nigga i'm not.  

And i'm 27 I was listening to pac since same song...and biggie since juicy

And just because i don't agree wit you i don't understand what he was writing? stfu wit that man thats just fkn retarded

And man biggie really ain't got that much material for all that 20 verse comparing...not saying joey does but still i love how someones damn near a rap GOD with like 3 albums...but just as an example i've seen some people on this site say someone can't be one of the greatests lyricists just because he doesn't have enough material but he had more albums than biggie  where are you niggaz comin from with all this nonsense.
May 15, 2009 5:14 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@TruthInScience

okay, i had to say this. What are you on man. You keep talking about my nuts, im a boy, youre a man.

learn to make love to a woman and all this shit.

first off, you clearly had said at me "@KMSChi"
I said nothing to you before that. Now you a Lion and all this.

Look Simba, chill. Keep "making love" to craiglist hoes and move on.

And you say i'm unproductive...you've been, and i quote...
"have been on posting on AllHipHop when you were just old enough to drink"

grow a family too...what are you fucking trees...haha, you mean to say provide for a family. gorw would not be the word to use you odd, sensitive man. you the type of nigga who thinks he's "Hip" at 40. lets see if youre really a man...

I say we end it here, as men. dead it, done. We have equal post towards each other going nowhere, lets be GROWN and stop going back and forth like this, because nothing is happening, and this back and forth internet beef is corny.

So I say done...

KMSChi
May 15, 2009 5:19 PM
 

KMSchi said:

@TruthInScience

youre right, i called you out BY name first. You got that right. My bad on that. but that post before was clearly at me...you even quoted some of my lines. Regardless. Lets drop it.
May 15, 2009 5:23 PM
 

coughdrop said:

Do Any of you all realize like Melle Mel said they named a whiteboy from Detroit the greatest lyricist ever that is what joe budden should be angry at.
May 15, 2009 5:47 PM
 

KMSchi said:

they havent named anybody the best yet...fans have to vote. Thats something else Melle Mel got wrong.

As far as the white boy...i dont care what race the dude is. Eminem is good. The best, debatable, but he deserves to be in the discussion. Melle Mel does not
May 15, 2009 5:50 PM
 

Who Better said:

#1 Reason why Joe Buddens should NOT be on the best Rappers List..............................He Has Not Done Anything Relevant In Hip Hop.

How can you be "The Best Rapper" when you can't make a solid album Commercial or Street.

I could see if he had some street classics under his belt that just never popped $ wise. But Joe Buddens been in the game for 7 years and hasn't accomplished anything.

Joe Buddens is like that dude in the Barber Shop who can flow real good but never does anything with it.

Joey you corny my nigga. I haven't seen you in the press this much since when Free was on 106 and Park. Congrats to you and your bitch made publicity stunt.

Yall rappers getting desperate. Out of all the rappers ahead of him on that list, and this color free bitch goes after Mel and Method? You get the Gasface nigga.

Joe Buddens just showed the world how much of a square he is, no wonder this dude can't make an album, his taste and judgement is horrible all around the board.
May 15, 2009 5:51 PM
 

OneMannGang said:

I know Melle Mel is a God.  Joe Budden, I'd guess, is just god awful.

I own Melle Mel records.  I've never heard a Joe Budden song, and I'm 28.  

"Broken Jaw, everywhere/ give a fuck about a budden, naw, we just don't care/"
May 15, 2009 5:53 PM
 

OneMannGang said:

PS

Eminem WAS good from '95-'01...
Then he decided that it was a good idea to say

and I quote "you make my pee pee go ba-doing doing doing"

NOW THAT'S LYRICISM FOLKS!!!
May 15, 2009 6:02 PM
 

Im_Lux said:

@coughdrop

Smh whats the fact that eminem is white or from detroit have ANYTHING to do with lyrical ability?  Answer that without looking like an idiot and I'll give you a dollar.
May 15, 2009 6:13 PM
 

PMCakaPrimeMC said:

yall folks cant actually think method mam or melle mel could fuck with Joey.  Thats ridiculous!  They are legends but not lyrically above Joe.  Bottom Line.
May 15, 2009 6:24 PM
 

sumhatesumluv said:

Joe Budden is like Kanye. Kanye bitched when he didnt win an award. Joe bitches because he thinks he deserves more recognition. The dude is becoming increasingly lame to me. Beef after beef, bitching after bitching.

Free $$$'s  http://www.betagainstme.com/?affid=897
May 15, 2009 6:28 PM
 

coughdrop said:

 
KMSchi- i care about race white people always try to take shit from black people and they are not  that good at what they do eminem is not that respected anyplace  except  America and we started this shit and overseas cats stay laughing at  American hip hop fans they think we are stupid and dumb for listening to this bullshit we play on radio and the stuff we blog about.
May 15, 2009 6:36 PM
 

lgla said:

Said it before-best lyricist will always have 2 fundamental headings;

1. Are we judging by sales (both CD and Gate-and all the other frivs?

2. Or what the streets say? -which could mean your fav rap is broke_

not to mention that we as a music culture have not entirely agreed on the criteria for "best"
having lived in 23 states -its amazing who thinks who is the greatest of all time.
The shit about a white boy ...mayne it's a damn shame some folks dont have some good fathers in their lives-yo I'll be ya preacher teacher! Fuck if u subscribe to that ignorance-then u don't support our half white President?! hmmmm I want more kids...
budds is tight-but cheah at least showrespect when being critical.
Mel-handled it like a grown man-that around the ass line was coo

http://reverbnation.com/levonsghostla
http://www.myspace.com/levonsghostla

grown folk only
May 15, 2009 6:58 PM
 

thebiznizz said:

budden needs to know his place
check out that real
http://thebiznizz.wordpress.com
May 15, 2009 7:06 PM
 

Isis said:

PMCakaPrimeMC said:
yall folks cant actually think method mam or melle mel could fuck with Joey.  Thats ridiculous!  They are legends but not lyrically above Joe.  Bottom Line.
......................................................................................................................................................................


Why do y'all say they can't f-ck with Joe lyrically? May I ask, what has Joe done so great lyrically, that he surpasses all these people in the universe? The dude is good, but he hasn't blown anybody away lyrically. He's has done nothing to prove or earn that. I hate when brainwashed fans say that. I really don't mean to use that term but it fits. I do not see how Joe proved, he's this unf-ckwittable lyricist. He done nothing to prove that. Why do you think he threw his little tempertantrum at all these people. Because he wants that same respect, but doesn't not get it. And he doesn't need to get it, until he proves otherwise. And he hasn't.
May 15, 2009 7:20 PM
 

MikeCash89 said:

man all yall niggaz whining off what budden say shut the fuck up like fa real.... quit bitching like dude he wasnt a legend or something...he said he could rap better than him and its the truth... in a the area of rap "SKILLS" Budden is a million times better than Melly mel...legend or not....u dont have to be around during mel time to know that
May 15, 2009 7:34 PM
 

Cholo1510 said:

i like budden..but melle mel..common haha...i mean thats just a big out of your league or memory why not go at Em or someone.>i think buddens is better then em....I hate em's voice and content
May 15, 2009 7:52 PM
 

HELLUPINPHILLY said:

The point budden should take is step your game up.some feel he can spit others feel he's alright.so let your music & lyrics speak 4 itself.
but joey is weak so I'm not surprise by the list.he have so he's going 2 be on somebody's list,just not mine.


May 15, 2009 8:22 PM
 

Jay322 said:

Ok look obviously u simple minded fucks didnt pay attention or watch the Joe Budden video.  He never really dissed Melle Mel he just said that in 2009 Melle Mel cant see him lyrically.  I co-sign that even in Melle Mel prime he cant match Joe bar 4 bar.  They dont even compare.  Now Melle Mel took as far as speakin on everything he has done in the game which is all well in good but compared to the Jay-Z's Biggies Lupes Andre 3$tacks or a Common he doesnt compare.  Its not even close.  Yea the list is extremely fucked up but that doesnt mean Joey is bitchin or whinin.  I mean the only person 4real who should have a beef wit Joey about what he said is Method Man cause he totally just disrespected Meth and I dont think Joe is even on that level.  For all the people that dont know Joe Buddens ability I think you need to do your homework cause dude has a go he isnt a push over but I do agree wit whoever that Method Man is better.  Like I said in the post before Im not bias because Im a fan of both at this time in life I prolly listen to Joe more because he has more current music but that doesnt mean that I think overall that Joe is a better rapper than Method Man.  They both have true skill and should up there with the all-time great lyricist no matter what.  There are some people hatin on Joey and have never listened a whole Joe Budden album maybe a couple songs here and there but dude is a beast I just dont see him sonnin Method Man the way he says he would.  

Like its on thing to say u better than a person but its another thing to just outright shit on someone that you once admired.  I really dont get where Joe is coming from or his reasoning because of his love that he so called has 4 Method Man.  
May 15, 2009 8:50 PM
 

dubem said:

Wow!!!!! Buddens done lost his mind!!!!!  Who's he gonna fuck with next, Eminem????????????????????/////
May 15, 2009 8:53 PM
 

B-Side said:

For Budden to compare himself now to a retired Melle Mel, is like talking shit to your pops, while you're STILL EATIN AT HIS TABLE, AND LIVING UNDER HIS ROOF!!

Fine.  Take Mel and Meth off the list, and Joe Budden moves up from like, tip of the swinging dick to the BOZACK.  So what?

And it ain't about comparing an active emcee to a retired emcee.  It's about comparing what each person has accomplished with their skills.  Melle Mel's skills and persona helped create an art form that lives to this day.  Joe Budden skill's helped inspire about a week's worth of web hits.  That he wouldn't even have gotten without calling out his elders.
May 15, 2009 9:03 PM
 

damarcuswilson said:

This situation taught me this: people are sheep.  He gave him respect by calling him a pioneer.  He called him a PIONEER.  How much more respect can you give a person when you refer to them as a pioneer?  He even said he would take a Loss to Rakim in the first round.  That shows that he knows a great rapper regardless if they are from the past or present.  This how you measure great: could they dominate in any era?  For example, these players will give it to anybody in any era,  Michael Jordan, David Robinson, Hakeem the Dream, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird.  Let us be honest.  Do you think Melle Mel will lyrically beat Joell Ortiz? No. I didn't thinks so but he is in the ELITE group of PIONEERS and LEGENDS which is a greater title than best rapper ever.
May 15, 2009 9:07 PM
 

Woodz09 said:

 
Texas_Playa said:
Joe Budden, what imprint have you left on hip hop???

I put this nigga and Charles Hamilton in the same boat

Niggas acting like bitches beggin for attention

CHARLES HAMILTON THO?? U SOUND DUMB AS SHIT - HOW U COMPARE HIM TO BUDDENS?? SMH AT DA DUMB COMMENTS PPL HAVE NO PROBLEM POSTING.....
May 15, 2009 9:20 PM
 

RevrendIke32 said:

I'd rather read these comments than listen to either guys music. Today anyway. Buddens needs to STFU quickly. He's putting himself in the same boat as Soulja Boy with these dumb ass rants.
May 15, 2009 9:21 PM
 

ThugPoetic said:

Word Joey... go at eminem for that #1 slot
May 15, 2009 9:28 PM
 

kingkong1522 said:

game destroyed buddens
May 15, 2009 9:59 PM
 

kingkong1522 said:

u dont see him trying to call out ppl
May 15, 2009 9:59 PM
 

j.johnson said:

@ Illseed

theillseed said:

Skillmatic11 said:
2)To defend the lyrical superiority debate, can any of the Melle Mel backers, recite a Melle Mel verse from memory??
-----------------

you must be 13

fam, i thought Mel did a good job of running down his accolades at the beginning of the vid...there's not much more to be said. if you  arent late 20s or 30-plus, why is the hell would yo know his verses from memory? second, you you claim to be hip hop, you'd just shut up about it. somebody said it, Mel is a legend...he paved the way. he's got stripes for CENTURIES. like, if rap died today, and in 500 years they look at hip hop...they are going to mention Mel, Flash, and the furious 5...PERIOD.

who cares if you know his bars or not. beat street should be enuff but if its not...SO. who are you (not Skillmatic11 personally, but people in general)? uhmmmmm? I'm right in the middle. I respect BOTH of these dudes, but i gotta call it how i see it.
_____________________________________________________


Where do i start? This is about the best rapper correct? So how do you pose the questions "who cares if you know his bars or not, who are you?" Um "he" is the fan. Isnt that who decides who the best is? How can you be the best rapper an nobody know your raps? Age has little to do with it. I was born in 82...so i didnt grow up listening to Rakim when his albums first hit, but i damn sure know all the words now...cause rakim was dope. Not Melle Mel. Im not try to shit on dude or nothing im just saying. If you are a GOAT then your music and skill will transcend through the years.  

Then you say that "beat street" should be enough...dope record but one record doesn't put you on a all time great rapper list. That's the same argument most are putting against Joe...that he only had one hot record.

I get the whole respect thing...but as far as bar for bar...its probably a bunch of cats that were out in his day that would give it to him. Dude is not a extremely good rapper. I judge that by content as well as rhyme scheme. different flow patterns and being able to wow or shock you with the next bar. I found myself listening to Rakim wondering what he would say next. Can you really say Melle Mel had that same influence? He even padded his argument with stuff that has noting to do with actually rhyming! I don't care how you dress...bust a rhyme. I know you guys were the "first" to be put on or whatever, but its pretty arrogant to say without me there would be no you. What you should say is, with out me, the record company would have picked someone else. Aint like the dude invented rhyming or something.

PS its funny that for the last couple weeks/months you guys been running the "TOP 5" list and nobody on the list or in the comment section listed Melle Mel...to my recollection.
May 15, 2009 10:10 PM
 

Who Better said:

Joe Buddens aint been in no ones top 5 either.

May 15, 2009 10:19 PM
 

XxXx-Jey Zoose-xXxX said:

I Got Questions Questions...
1) Can 03/04 Joey Take On 93/94 Meth?
2) Will 2019 Joey Be Better Than 2009 Meth? And I Ask That Question Because Meth Been In The Game Since 93 And Joey Been In It Since 03...Meth Been In The Game For 17 Years While Joey Been In It 7, Which Brings Me Too My Next Question...
3a) Can Joey Last Until 2019 In This Everchanging Game?
3b) And If He Does Will He Be Better Than 2009 Meth?
4) By The Time He Reaches 2019 Can He Make The Impact Method Man Had? e.g. "You're All I Need/I'll Be There For You" & Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers
5) Can He Prove That He's Better Than Method Man Besides Battle Raps? e.g. A Real Solid Headbanging/Classic Album That Will Have Hip-Hop Head's Ears All Over Ringing, Plus Some...Because Padded Room Was Trash, Especially When You Pit It Against Halfway House And MM3
6) What Does Having To "Rap" In 2009 Have To Do With Why Melle Mel Shouldn't Be Worthy Of Being On That List?
7) And How Could He Get Angry At A List That Pits 2pac And Plies Against Each Other For The G.O.A.T. Title?

And If Anybody On AHH Wants To Take A Crack At These Questions Including Illseed Or Even Joe Budden Himself...Then Take A Stab At 'Em

South Bronx 2k9...Z-007 Has Spoken...Fin
May 15, 2009 10:53 PM
 

XxXx-Jey Zoose-xXxX said:

I Got Questions Questions...
1) Can 03/04 Joey Take On 93/94 Meth?
2) Will 2019 Joey Be Better Than 2009 Meth? And I Ask That Question Because Meth Been In The Game Since 93 And Joey Been In It Since 03...Meth Been In The Game For 17 Years While Joey Been In It 7, Which Brings Me Too My Next Question...
3a) Can Joey Last Until 2019 In This Everchanging Game?
3b) And If He Does Will He Be Better Than 2009 Meth?
4) By The Time He Reaches 2019 Can He Make The Impact Method Man Had? e.g. "You're All I Need/I'll Be There For You" & Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers
5) Can He Prove That He's Better Than Method Man Besides Battle Raps? e.g. A Real Solid Headbanging/Classic Album That Will Have Hip-Hop Head's Ears All Over Ringing, Plus Some...Because Padded Room Was Trash, Especially When You Pit It Against Halfway House And MM3
6) What Does Having To "Rap" In 2009 Have To Do With Why Melle Mel Shouldn't Be Worthy Of Being On That List?
7) And How Could He Get Angry At A List That Pits 2pac And Plies Against Each Other For The G.O.A.T. Title?

And If Anybody On AHH Wants To Take A Crack At These Questions Including Illseed Or Even Joe Budden Himself...Then Take A Stab At 'Em

South Bronx 2k9...Z-007 Has Spoken...Fin
May 15, 2009 10:53 PM
 

XxXx-Jey Zoose-xXxX said:

I Got Questions Questions...
1) Can 03/04 Joey Take On 93/94 Meth?
2) Will 2019 Joey Be Better Than 2009 Meth? And I Ask That Question Because Meth Been In The Game Since 93 And Joey Been In It Since 03...Meth Been In The Game For 17 Years While Joey Been In It 7, Which Brings Me Too My Next Question...
3a) Can Joey Last Until 2019 In This Everchanging Game?
3b) And If He Does Will He Be Better Than 2009 Meth?
4) By The Time He Reaches 2019 Can He Make The Impact Method Man Had? e.g. "You're All I Need/I'll Be There For You" & Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers
5) Can He Prove That He's Better Than Method Man Besides Battle Raps? e.g. A Real Solid Headbanging/Classic Album That Will Have Hip-Hop Head's Ears All Over Ringing, Plus Some...Because Padded Room Was Trash, Especially When You Pit It Against Halfway House And MM3
6) What Does Having To "Rap" In 2009 Have To Do With Why Melle Mel Shouldn't Be Worthy Of Being On That List?
7) And How Could He Get Angry At A List That Pits 2pac And Plies Against Each Other For The G.O.A.T. Title?

And If Anybody On AHH Wants To Take A Crack At These Questions Including Illseed Or Even Joe Budden Himself...Then Take A Stab At 'Em

South Bronx 2k9...Z-007 Has Spoken...Fin
May 15, 2009 10:54 PM
 

dabusinessss said:

This shit is funny to me.  Joe said many names and for some reason Meth and Melle have a response.  Sounds to me like he touched a nerve and people are overly sensitive.  All Joe said is if you are talking about "rapping"...not album sales, not notoriety, not anything else...just RAPPING...than he feels he's better than a lot of the emcees on the list, and I agree.  Watch the video. It's not like he said he would get a win against Rakim (who he was lined up with on the bracket.)  He said straight up that's an "L" for me.  lol...the nigga is realistic. He just has a problem with cats like Mc Hammer being on the list for "rapping"

It's not often I quote 50 but...like 50 said, "show me a rapper in the game that doesn't think he is the best and I will show you a rapper that is not serious about his craft."
May 15, 2009 11:03 PM
 

dabusinessss said:

1) Can 03/04 Joey Take On 93/94 Meth? A real comparison of these 2 are apples and oranges.  Either way, my answer doesn't change...Meth can't mess wit Joe on wax.  Joe is to intricate for meth to battle on wax.  Joe can't mess wit meth in a traditional face to face/cipher battle Meth is Hip Hop and is a beast.  Too much charisma for Joe.  Not about the lyrics, but the battle would more than likely be on wax.  Sorry Meth

2) Will 2019 Joey Be Better Than 2009 Meth? Not trying to be funny but this is not a good question.  The game is so much different than when Meth came in the game.  Downloading, youtube, the fall of East Coast music (which Meth had a major part in building up!)...two different times.  I'll ask you this.  Do you think Meth would last 17 years if he came in the game in 2003?  Meth has mediocre albums.

3a) Can Joey Last Until 2019 In This Everchanging Game? Can anybody at this point? And would you want to last that long?

3b) And If He Does Will He Be Better Than 2009 Meth? Again, not a good question.  Meth is one of those guys that has never had to be too versatille.  He has versatility in his catalog, but Meth is Meth in 1999, 2009 or 2019. Meth has always been the most underrated "overrated" mc in the game.  Think about it.

4) By The Time He Reaches 2019 Can He Make The Impact Method Man Had? I can't answer this question because I was in High School when 36 chambers dropped and that era was classic! Even wack artists had a major impact at that time because of the era.

5) Can He Prove That He's Better Than Method Man Besides Battle Raps? Has Meth ever made a classic album? NO!  Based on this question it seems like you haven't listened to Joe's catalog.  Mood Musik 2 is a classic album.  Joe is not a battle rapper.  Why do cats keep saying that?  And Padded Room wasn't his best effort, but its far far from trash!

6) What Does Having To "Rap" In 2009 Have To Do With Why Melle Mel Shouldn't Be Worthy Of Being On That List? Because the tournament is about "RAPPING!" lol...Like he said in the video, it's not about album sales or any of that other bs...it's about rapping.  You wouldn't put Jordan in a dunk contest against Lebron right now.  Jordan may be a legend and the best to ever play the game but he can't contest Lebron or anybody else in the game right now.

7) And How Could He Get Angry At A List That Pits 2pac And Plies Against Each Other For The G.O.A.T. Title? At the end of the day.  I don't really think he was that mad.  It seems as if i'm the only person that didn't take him as "dissing" a lot of the cats he mentioned.  Of course he was dissing Prodigy, but they have history.  They didn't even have Joel Ortiz in the damn tournament.  lol  I know a lot of you cats are probably like so, but the fact of the matter is...A rap tournament in 2009 wouldn't be legit on any level without Ortiz in there at this point...considering they have people like Mc Hammer on the damn list. lol
May 15, 2009 11:24 PM
 

MONOLITHICPAW said:

Mel is important to the game for one reason. for those of us Far removed from NY.  our first expposure to hip hop was either the message or rappers delight. for me it was like both within monthes of each other. yeah I digged rappers delight it was a fun record. but man I felt the message. the message just grabbed me and wouldnt let go. so when you look at hip hop today. you have 2 categories. the message, or rappers delight. Its this rappers delight stuff that has purist throwing fits. its this rappers delight aka commercialism that bombards us on radio and tv. but then you have artists like joe who is dope. but he cant quite get the "message" across for the masses to appreciate. so his focus is lyrical dexterity. I bang "in my sleep" but I still feel the "message" timeless. give me a timeless song joe....
May 15, 2009 11:30 PM
 

DC CA$HVILLE said:

@2:27 and on

Dying lol

@Joe's antics

This dude stays messing with people.  He is like a poor man's 50 Cent nowadays.

Here is evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-WV7me6qM

Peace and more hair grease,

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May 15, 2009 11:32 PM
 

prob_limbs said:

old school ether for that loud mouth equal,he made good points and the list succ'd but don't go calling out the legends,then the equal didn't know who cowboy was and he's hip hop the equal needs to do a history checc just like vibe,hell we all need to give respect to the forefathers yell

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May 15, 2009 11:36 PM
 

Ken_P said:

illseed- whattup my nigga...you know i am comedy so you know i love this shit...nigga i was dying when melle mel pulled out that chart...nigga that gotta be the funniest shit i heard all year...but real talk...in 2009 budden would eat that nigga rappin
May 15, 2009 11:38 PM
 

Ken_P said:

and let me make it clear...i hear what budden sayin but damn my nigga...you gotta pay homage
May 15, 2009 11:39 PM
 

Ken_P said:

"if melle mel put in his work, you dont speak on melle mel"

real shit from a real nigga
May 15, 2009 11:44 PM
 

dopeliterature said:

first of all, i think vibe needs to clarify the list properly. to me it should be two different tournament style list. It should be "the best rapper ever" and then there should be, "the best emcee ever" because they are two entirely different things.

joe budden's gripe should be the fact that trina, is placed a #27 seed over him in another bracket, but then again its the best rapper NOT emcee. there's a BIG difference

an emcee is more of an artist, with concepts, lyrical ability, and skill, who loves to rhyme, and takes the money what comes with it,

the rapper is vice versa, that's why majority of rappers depend on style, image, and a million things that have nothing to do with skill, and do it strictly for the money.

rappers rhyme words, emcees paint pictures. its like taking kimbo slice, a brawler(rapper) , then putting him in the ring with bruce lee(emcee).

I don't think joe should have called anyone out, especially a pioneer of the game. the list is opinionated, and he should have just expressed that he feels he should have been ranked higher.
May 16, 2009 12:13 AM
 

bufezy said:

sumhatesumluv said:
Joe Budden is like Kanye. Kanye bitched when he didnt win an award. Joe bitches because he thinks he deserves more recognition. The dude is becoming increasingly lame to me. Beef after beef, bitching after bitching.

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I have to agree bro.. Thats what I felt like when i heard this nigga, he lame for his rant, only because he mentioned other rappers as if they are not worthy. You don't hear E 40, scarface, or bun b crying and these nigga been in the game for years, you no why, because they no they spot in this game. Joe budden is using his girl friend to stay relevant and once she leaves this nigga he will fade off. this nigga got two stategies, beefing and showing off tahiri ass.
May 16, 2009 12:49 AM
 

Tye-Banks said:

Melle Mel? MAN HE's CRAZY! Joe Budden done lost his damn mind. He knows he listen to WHITE LINES! And I know he watched Beat Street! Come on Joe Budden it's ok to admit them dudes are good and did their thing.

Out of all people I think 95% of hip hoppers over 28 will agree that Melle Mel is a legend.



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May 16, 2009 12:59 AM
 

ShaBizzy said:

@Tye-Banks
Co-Sign, Joe Buddens is gonna end up getting beat up.
May 16, 2009 2:58 AM
 

ghostof Tim Dog said:

if anybody here makes a point against Mele Mel's position, or for Budden's position regarding Mel, by the person's stating that he or she doesn't know or "heard" any songs by Mele Mel, thus questioning his relevance in rap, then it just means that that person doesn't know much.  

A tree can grow as many branches as it could grow, but each and every branch can be traced to its roots.  Mele Mel is the roots of emceeing.

Many things in hip hop music that many of us spend most of our online time arguing over is really not that serious.  However, showing respect to someone who made it possible for rappers to play a part in this culture, when the dj used to be (still is IMO) the driving force and focal point of hip hop music, is quite serious.  

Mele Mel has spoken.  Joe Budden, and anybody else coming out of pocket, hold that.
May 16, 2009 3:32 AM
 

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May 16, 2009 3:48 AM
 

lilnono said:

So if you're ever in a battle, I'm-a make you my slave
And I'm-a give you a shovel so you can dig a grave.
Little pieces of a dream is all you mean
Since the day you stepped into the MC scene.
Bitin' your moves, takin' fake awards,
Sayin' everyone else is perpetratin' the frauds,
But you're nothin' but a clone of a flesh and bone.
Now you're tryin' to play gone on the microphone,
But I tell you 'bout a night and you know I'm right
When you listen to us rockin' to the broad daylight,
And then you looked in the sky and you started to cuss,
But then you prayed to God that you could be like us.
Then God was great and God was true
And he tried to show you how to be like you,
But you still didn't get where you wanted to go
When you gathered in a group and got your own show
'Cause without the source, the force won't survive.
For eternity, the source is alive.
You forgot the words of your creator
And now he's made you a perpetrator,
Forever in a world of you and a girl,
A few grams in a pipe to make your head swirl.
You must spread the words of the master teacher.
You die by the rhymes and the streets'll eat you.
The words are a gift we will never flaunt.
That's why we're gonna get everything we want.
Just like a shadow in the night on a sight unseen
And I'm the bonafide vocal master supreme,
And I'm here to run it down for the ladies and gents
For my rhymes make dollars plus they make sense,
See, you're down with Cowboy, you'll be rockin' the show.
With King Lu, Tommy Gun and, huh, Scorpio,
Kamikaze Clayton Savage and Easy Mike
And goin' down in the books is the king of the night,
So if you're ever in a battle, I'm-a make you my slave
And I'm-a give you a shovel so you can dig a grave.
Leave behind all your fame and wealth
So you can say one rhyme, then bury yourself, huh.
I may sound possessed, but you know I'm blessed
With the will to make sense of all this mess.
I'm the power of the sun that shines in the sky
And I'm the only MC that'll never die,
So just rock and don't stop 'til you hit the top,
But when you see Mellie Mel, you're gonna have to drop.






A child is born with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smilin' on you but he's frownin' too
Because only God knows what you'll go through
You'll grow in the ghetto livin' second-rate
And your eyes will sing a song called deep hate
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alleyway
You'll admire all the number-book takers
Thugs, pimps and pushers and the big money-makers
Drivin' big cars, spendin' twenties and tens
And you'll wanna grow up to be just like them, huh
Smugglers, scramblers, burglars, gamblers
Pickpocket peddlers, even panhandlers
You say I'm cool, huh, I'm no fool
But then you wind up droppin' outta high school
Now you're unemployed, all non-void
Walkin' round like you're Pretty Boy Floyd
Turned stick-up kid, but look what you done did
Got sent up for a eight-year bid
Now your manhood is took and you're a Maytag
Spend the next two years as a undercover fag
Bein' used and abused to serve like hell
'til one day, you was found hung dead in the cell
It was plain to see that your life was lost
You was cold and your body swung back and forth
But now your eyes sing the sad, sad song
Of how you lived so fast and died so young


I can't say too much more because I never heard any of Joe Buddens work. It seems to me that the main criteria of a good rapper  should be how much and how many people actually enjoy listening to this person rap.  
May 16, 2009 4:44 AM
 

Wild100s said:

The Message>>>>>Joe Buddens catalogue.
May 16, 2009 5:12 AM
 

Don Blake said:

Joe Budden will never in his life write anything this relevant.



newspaper burns in the sand
And the headlines say 'Man Destroys Man'
Extra extra, read all the bad news
On the war for peace that everybody would lose
The rise and fall, the last great empire
The sound of the whole world caught on fire
The ruthless struggle, the desperate gamble
The game that left the whole world in shambles
The cheats, the lies, the alibies
And the foolish attempts to conquer the sky
Lost in space, and what is it worth?
Huh, the President just forgot about Earth
Spendin multi-billions and maybe even trillions
The cost of weapons ran in the zillions
There's gold in the street and there's diamond under feet
And the children in Africa don't even eat
Flies on their faces, they're livin like mice
And their houses even make the ghetto look nice
Huh, the water tastes funny, it's forever too sunny
And they work all month and don't make no money
A fight for power, a nuclear shower
A people shout out in the darkest hour
Sights unseen and voices unheard
And finally the bomb gets the last word
Christians killed Muslims and Germans killed Jews
And everybody's bodies are used and abused
Huh, minds are poisoned and souls are polluted
Superiority complex is deep rooted
Leeches and lices, and people got prices
Egomaniacs control the self-righteous
Nothin is sacred and nothin is pure
So the revelation of death is our cure
Peoples in terror, the leaders made a error
And now they can't even look in the mirror
Cause we gotta suffer while things get rougher
And that's the reason why we got to get tougher
So learn from the past and work for the future
And don't be a slave to no computer
Cause the children of Man inherit the land
And the future of the world is in your hands
So just throw your hands in the air
And wave em like you just don't care
And if you believe that you're the future
Scream it out and say oh yeah (Oh yeah)
Oh yeah (Oh yeah)
Rrrrhaa!

May 16, 2009 7:07 AM
 

DJ TEKNISION said:

HIP HOP IS OUTTA CONTROL!!  RESPECT THE FORE FATHERS JOEY!!  YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR HIP HOP..



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May 16, 2009 7:48 AM
 

Grumpy said:

Budden doing what young cats do...He's reppin for the present, his present. All young dudes think shit starts and ends with them. There ain't a biz, be it music or the dope game or sports, etc. where a young dude don't think he's the shit so much so that he shits on all who came before him. It's part of wanting to be KING.

And in 2 years, some young cat will shit on Budden and the cycle continues...Jordan knees got creaky, Iverson crossed him...now Rondo bustin and AI on the bench and getting traded. Ask AI who crossover better, you know he think his is. Budden think he rap better than Melle Mel. AI ain't win 6 rings; Budden ain't take rap around the world with NO BLUEPRINT on how to do it. So while AI and Buddens game is nice, they ain't THEM dudes.

it happens
May 16, 2009 7:58 AM
 

MaryJanesHusband said:

Joe budden is nice rapper. He just needs to know when to keep his mouth shut.

STOP MAKING YOUTUBE VIDEOS!!

Everything you say is not for public consumption goddamn!

If thats his opinion cool..and I can kinda see the point. But Melle already said it...if it wasn't for him there probably wouldn't even be a joe budden.

If Buddens keeps puttin out disrepect thats exactly what he's gonna get back...thats why he always has some wackass beef.

Just focus on good music and stop creating unneeded drama.
May 16, 2009 9:11 AM
 

http://www.allhiphop.com/stori… « Thoughts said:

May 16, 2009 9:55 AM
 

http://www.allhiphop.com/stori… « Thoughts said:

May 16, 2009 9:55 AM
 

FloydBAYweather said:

niggas aint got no respect for they elders. especially in this case cuz if it were for a pioneer like melle mel there wouldnt be a joe budden. homage needs to be paid.
May 16, 2009 10:35 AM
 

NYCityREP said:

LMAO. Joe Buddens is the ass crack of Hip-Hop.
May 16, 2009 10:36 AM
 

feelitall said:

Joey is the ass crack of hip hop LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CLASSIC!!!!! Joe better come with it
May 16, 2009 11:22 AM
 

DJ DI said:

Let's be real, then a lot of niggaz would be on that G.O.A.T stauts, but how many so-called lyrical niggaz is dead in the waters in hip-hop (Cassidy, Papoose, Loaded Lux, Joe BUdden, Obie Trice, Rhymefest, and a lot more of your favorite LYRICITS)?

Melle Mel changed the landscape of hip-hop. Yes, he was the first real street rapper. Joe Budden got dropped from Def Jam cause he couldnt keep up. I admit, Joe Budden is nice, but that list is NOT A NEW SCHOOL LIST!!!!!!

For y'all dumb fucks that say that Joey is right and Joey has a point, y'all boys listen to hip-hop for the moment.Again, Joey is nice, but I can name at least ten of the top of my head who is nicer than him. Like Sai said, he's the weakest in his own crew!!!!!

The disrespect that young niggaz got for the originators is ridiculous and a damn shame. Muthafuckaz broke their back for a lot of these young niggaz to even have a chance to make it. Joey can't say shit. He had his chance with that Def Jam shit. His album on Def Jam was bullshit and no one wants to admit that. I bought it and was mad as hell. If your mixtape is hotter than your actual album (Lil' Wayne and Papoose), than you ain't doing your job. You can't be a legend off of FUCKING MIXTAPES!!!!! Name my ONE OF THE G.O.A.T.S THAT WAS THE GREATEST OFF OF MIXTAPES???????

...................

Thank you. so, Joey needs to shut the fuck up and put out some damn music. That Mood Muzic shit doesn't count. I'll give him Padded Room, but I'm tired of these simple ass rap niggaz dissing people cause they ain't got shit to do. Little Ramen Noddle ass rap dudes. Nigga, graduate to Lobster and Caviar.
May 16, 2009 11:45 AM
 

Smashit said:

Buddens is nothing but a skinny big-ear retard that loves attention - he hasn't dropped shit but he always talking shit about his lyrical skills, his hand skills but then he get in a bitch-beef with Ransom and gets his man's brother slapped silly on camera and then he turns around and "apologizes" for acting stupid - NO Son you talked big shit and then ran into hiding when you saw they was real

Meth is a real dude & I'm sure this one won't pass without Budden getting his long due ass-whoopin
May 16, 2009 12:28 PM
 

Skillmatic11 said:

And this is what's wrong with the internet. Everyone has an opinion and no facts to back them. I can't believe as a HIP HOP fan some of you guys have the AUDACITY to say Joe Buddens is wack. Its sad really, the BIGGEST movement in hip hop right now is SLAUGHTERHOUSE and I can't not ONE mixtape with SLAUGHTERHOUSE track...lol

People talk about a lack of a prevalent catalog from Joey, when I've heard 3 songs mention from Mel's supporters, where as Joey supporters are mentioning whole albums. lol

But I digress, at the end of the day, if you watch the tape, Joey said Melle couldn't fuck with him. There was no tearing down of Mel's accolades or accomplishments. Mel is an ARROGANT FUCK, but no one calls him on it because he's a "legend." I just want to see the battle. Sometimes the king/general/leader needs to step into the battle to prove to his followers he has earned that title....
May 16, 2009 12:33 PM
 

42wo non-fakin said:

@Chi-Town Jay

You Got The Message. Pul-Pit/Pool Pit.

Tomatoes/ Tomaatoes.


Yes Yes Fresh Fresh.
May 16, 2009 12:40 PM
 

Thenewcomer said:

I kind of understand what joe is saying in way and pretty much

understand his arguments as far as the game goes today. 10 or 20

years ago don't make you hiphop now.  But Me myself i sometimes

feel the same about Biggie and Tupac.  Some people will not let

their Souls rests Psyche! I take that back. legacy should never be

forgotten. History is important. Thats almost like forgotting

about Malcolm X and Martin Luther King.

Althoug sometimes I remenisce about how Tupac and Biggie if they

were alive today could they compete in todays hiphop cliamate .

Would they have the game on lock?

By the Way The Movie on Biggies life Was Good. I rented it from

Block Buster.


Who would have the most  shine  Amongiests?

Tupac,Biggie,Jay-z,Naz,Snoop,50 cent,Enimmom,Kanye,Ludicras,Ti,

Common and AZ.

Although My Favorites out of this lists is Jay-z, Naz, Kanye,

Ludicras, Snoop, Common, and AZ.

One of the main reasons why many 80's and 90's artists don't stay

revelant today is because of the Bigtime Record companies,Fans of

hiphop  and the Music Producers. Many fans won't w even buy the

album even if its Great Album.

 Don't get me wrong you have some tight ass producers today.  

But manytimes when it comes to doing music and production for Artists

1 to 2 Decades ago some of the music is lame. it dosen't move me.

It dosen't have that Unique Sound of the 90's and 80s. Im not

saying make it a 90's and 80's sound, but make it unique even if

its that crunk stuff with some  Neo Soul added i don't particular care

for that crunk sound today

If anybody Disagrees im open for  Debate and Discussion.

May 16, 2009 1:27 PM
 

XxXx-Jey Zoose-xXxX said:

Dhat Nigga Joe Budden Is Real Delirious, Besides Dha VIBE List Controversy, He Already Had It In His Head Dhat He Was Dha G.O.A.T. Before He Dropped His First Album In 03, And He Came In The Game Wantin To Prove Dhat He's Dha G.O.A.T....LMAO(Check His AHH Interviews Where He Speaks On Meth[Parts 1 & 2]). Plus Dhis Nigga Thinks Dhat Dhere Was An Editor For Dhat VIBE List, When It Really Was An Online Poll; Because I Don't Think That Any Nigga In Their Right Mind Would Pit 2pac Against Plies Seriously When Makin Tournament Like Dhat.Plus I Think That Joey Think Its A "Who's Dha Best In Recent Memory" List Dhan A "G.O.A.T." List...But From A Nigga Who Already Had It In His Mind Dhat He Was Dha G.O.A.T. Before His 1st Album Dropped Its All Startin To Make Sense

South Bronx 2k9...Z-007 Has Spoken...Fin
May 16, 2009 2:36 PM
 

hakz75 said:

after seeing the video that got everyone crying, i say these old men need to relax and stop being feminine.....Vibe magazine should be the people getting dragged down the mud in this mess....they have no clue about hip-hop or rap
May 16, 2009 5:25 PM
 

Supreme Mathematics said:

How can you open your mouth against a legend like melle mel?! Are you crazy?!
May 16, 2009 5:34 PM
 

ShaBizzy said:

I will never cop another Budden cd.  This nigga is sensitive as hell, those female tendencies are shining through and Im not with it.  He gets tight over a questionable authorless list from a publication that does not cater to hip hop AT ALL.  Once you saw Canibus and Bow Wow in the same seed you should have disregarded the list as anything credible.

It comes down to an issue of respect.  How did soulja boy sound sayin Nas killed hip hop?  He sounded like a damm bafoon.  Joe has yet to bring anything to the table of hip hop and to hear him even mention Meths name let me know he has the same mentality as these youngins.




And lets say Joe does get Meth in those 32 bars, thats all he'll be good for.  Joe budden is a sprinter in a marathon.  FUCK EM'! SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!



And who the fuck does Buddne think he is to call out anyone?  Meth had enough impact on the game to influence Joe to imulate him.  
May 16, 2009 5:37 PM
 

ShaBizzy said:

And to mention Melly Mel is even worse
May 16, 2009 5:42 PM
 

mdizzle187 said:

budden stay tryin to bait niggas he annoyin. meth and red will eat him. yeah he good but he's no where near the best. saigon ether'd him and now he dissin old cats......lame.
May 16, 2009 6:37 PM
 

damarcuswilson said:

In order to be called the best rapper ever he/she must possess All of these qualities: broad range in content (relationships, violence, social issues, love, freestyle,pain, their life). delivery, influence on audience (society imitates the rap artist), made an impact in music, not just hip-hop( hall of fame, first rapper to make major achievements) music must be relevent and enjoyable in any era and consistent ( the message, keep ya head up) if he/she has All qualities the crown him/her.
May 16, 2009 7:16 PM
 

bknewstash said:

Joe Buddens isnt any different than kanye west. too much female tendencies.niggas shouldnt be crying like bitches.cut that shit out joseph.
May 16, 2009 8:10 PM
 

XxXx-Jey Zoose-xXxX said:

 
XxXx-Jey Zoose-xXxX said:
Dhat Nigga Joe Budden Is Real Delirious, Besides Dha VIBE List Controversy, He Already Had It In His Head Dhat He Was Dha G.O.A.T. Before He Dropped His First Album In 03, And He Came In The Game Wantin To Prove Dhat He's Dha G.O.A.T....LMAO(Check His AHH Interviews Where He Speaks On Meth[Parts 1 & 2]). Plus Dhis Nigga Thinks Dhat Dhere Was An Editor For Dhat VIBE List, When It Really Was An Online Poll; Because I Don't Think That Any Nigga In Their Right Mind Would Pit 2pac Against Plies Seriously When Makin Tournament Like Dhat.Plus I Think That Joey Think Its A "Who's Dha Best In Recent Memory" List Dhan A "G.O.A.T." List...But From A Nigga Who Already Had It In His Mind Dhat He Was Dha G.O.A.T. Before His 1st Album Dropped Its All Startin To Make Sense

South Bronx 2k9...Z-007 Has Spoken...Fin
May 16, 2009 8:27 PM
 

42wo non-fakin said:

THE SONG 1O MIN BY BUDDEN SMOKES ANYTHING MELLE STRIPPING SHAKING ASS MEL EVER DID!

THIS NIGGA SHAKE BOOTY FOR A LIVING NOW, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU NIGGAZ!?


I MEAN REALLY MELLE MEL SHAKES HIS BOOTY FOR A LIVING C'MON NOW!
May 16, 2009 8:29 PM
 

grouchy_greg said:

I just have to weigh in. Any of these dudes can say ANYTHING about each other but this is a FACT: NONE OF THEM ARE WACK. that's all I can say. All three are extremely dope.
May 16, 2009 9:44 PM
 

Dajumpoff44 said:

THE MESSAGE PEOPLE!!!!Nuff Said!
May 16, 2009 10:31 PM
 

42wo non-fakin said:

@ Grouchy Greg

Damn Good Point.
May 16, 2009 11:25 PM
 

koolhand79 said:

I agree with all the respect talk, but what is this list suppose to be about....... if its your legacy in hip hop then yea joe needs to stay quite. but if its about actual LYRICAL
May 17, 2009 2:52 AM
 

koolhand79 said:

I agree with all the respect talk, but what is this list suppose to be about....... if its your legacy in hip hop then yea joe needs to stay quite. but if its about actual LYRICAL ability then he has a point. Thats why all this talk on whos the best in senseless. Unless u are going to give your exact criteria as to what constitutes the best. is it album sales, legacy, longevity, popularity, lyrical ability.
May 17, 2009 2:57 AM
 

Draus said:

Method Man is a GREAT lyricist.  Not WAS.  Not WAS for his time.  He IS.  So how do you actually KNOW Joe will take him out.  Cuz he raps now?

What makes you think Method Man is old?  Cuz he's not a teenager?  Goodness gracious, get off the boo boo.  
May 17, 2009 10:31 AM
 

Breed500 said:

I didn't want to post anymore cause i beleive thet all has been said and I hate it when people start repeating themselves but...The point of the matter wasn't if Joe can rap circles around Melle Mel..he can..You can be right about one thing but still wrong overall. Joey chose the easy route wich makes me think his motives for calling out Melle Mel and Meth had more to do with choosing your opponents in case shit would hit the fan.Again if he wanted to make a point for him being the lyrical boy wonder he thinks he is..go after someone who will give you a challenge..there where some skilled battle rappers on that list...You really think he went after Meth randomly?
He's not stupid..If there was a point to his whole "I 'm better than half these guys on the list"..go after one that will give your claim some weight..battle Black Thought,or Monch or Em for that matter..I wish Mos would be on that list,so he could go after him..I think Joe is an amazing lyricist bu if you run the battles down(like i did before) there is a pattern. He went after Game(not a battle rapper),50(?),Saigon(good mc but not a battle rapper by Joe's standards),Ransom(whatever)..When he had to go after Royce he changed his pitch up after the second song he shot to Royce and got straight groupie on 5" nickel..He goes after shure shots when he has a point to prove..wanna impress us...Battle Head Ice,Thought,Mos,Guilty,..or anybody that will make us say..yeah he showed and proved that he gets it in..stop going after legends to spark debate and to massage your ego..this is coming from a Joe Budden fan..I have all the mixtapes,and his 1st album, i didn't get that padded room crap,that was just straight chewbacca..
May 17, 2009 11:19 AM
 

feelitall said:

That got to be the most classic diss i ever heard I watched it at least 5 times now.......Joey B. Old school will heat your ass up!!
May 17, 2009 11:56 AM
 

Grimsta2003 said:

Anatomically.....Joe Budden is somewhere near the ass crack. LMAO
May 17, 2009 12:20 PM
 

dubem said:

If budden was alive in 77 when they dropped, he'd probably be wearing bell-bottom pants, platform shoes and a tie-died t-shirt!!!!!!
May 17, 2009 12:28 PM
 

zayzkidd3 said:

Did Melle Mel say that the magazine rated Eminem #1???  If so, its just like my grandma said when Eminem 1st came out...."watch the white media start rating Eminem over all of the great rappers and pioneer."  She also said that the media would start acting as if Eminem was the creator of rap, just like Rock-N-Roll did with Elvis presley.  R.I.P. grandma, you did predict it.
May 17, 2009 12:42 PM
 

Kane is Alive! said:

Buddens is basically just saying in a battle he doesn't think melle mel could see him

Mothafuckas drop their opinions and you all act like faggots.

"Have an opinion and they gon call you a hater"-Who Killed Hip hop
May 17, 2009 2:55 PM
 

AceDotCosta said:

Joey didn't disrespect Melle Mel by what he said! Nor did he disrespect Meth! He just said in today's world and standards of rap they wouldn't be able to fuck with him on the lyrical tip! Which I agree with! Niggas keep on saying "well maybe if Joe Budden made some hits like this then he'll get recognition" Get outta here, most of you are too biased or ignorant to even listen to his shit because you all are too scared of what your friends and others would say and think! I mean dude has joints that could be hits, if all of you would stop being so critical of everything he does, I mean you got joints like "If I die tomorrow" "Still My Hood" "Pray for Me" "Do tell" "Walk wit Me" "10 mins" "Sidetracked" "Under the Sun" "Everything Goes" and you also got joints like "Better Me" "Adrenaline" and "Stained" which shows that he has range and depth to step outside of the contained box of hip hop! And niggas need to stop with he only called out Method Man because he has an Album coming out, bullshit, If that's the reason, then why didn't he Name Red Man as well, along with Busta Rymes, hell  why not go for the gusto and call out Eminem since he's ranked #1 and is considered the Greatest rapper alive and he also has an album coming out as well which I will be coppin along with Blackout 2! I mean critical are you going to get, he even said that he would lose in the 1st round to Rakim, so niggas need to stop with the respect factor, that right there is showing respect, Hell Method Man is not even the best in Wu-Tang, he may be the most popular but lyrically no, especially when you got Ghostface and INS along with Raekwon!  And it's not like Melle Mel was the greatest emcee from the 80's, I try to listen to some of the old hip hop of his time but get real, greatness in Rap didn't start until 85 or 86 in my opinion, you had  LL not extremely lyrical but aggressive and dominating!, Rakim, KRS-One, Masta Ace, Kool G Rap and even though I don't like a lot of his music can't forget Big Daddy Kane! I mean you didn't see people getting all work up when Lil Wayne started saying he's the greatest rapper alive, and even said in XXL that he would eat any rapper, nobody said nothing, Only dude who said anything was Black Thought from the roots! So my people stop being so damn critical about everything Joe Budden does, especially when you don't hold other artist by the same standards!
May 17, 2009 4:51 PM
 

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May 17, 2009 5:37 PM
 

Train_Of_Thought said:

WHy Budden getting ripped for shit niggas be talkin bout in barber shops an in the streets everyday. He probably the only nigga with the guts in hip hop to make comments of any kind. I jus think he was doing his show not worrying about retaliation and consequences. Honestly he would eat any rapper on that list minus a few but the rest he would destroy be fuckin honest. I'm reading comments on so many sites about wack Buden is and how he ain tthis ant that. Wack and Budden shouldn't even go in the same sentence. If Budden is wack then wh o the fuck can rap then. I've heard every rapper over the last two years and none can fuck with budden on a story telling level lyrical level battling level or on a level of keeping your attention even in a 7 minute song. You never get tired of listening to him. Most rappers you hear that shit and it has no fuckin replay value at all. Honestly that's most rappers including method man. But his aint even about Meth. I love Meth but shit he can't mess with Joe on any level. Who cares about his career. Who cares if Melle Mel is a legend. Somebody have to be. Be he aint Jackie Roibnson or no shit just a washed up ass Barry Bonds (Steroids) of Hip Hop. You retired nigga starving for attention. What kinda role model is this dude walkin around in wife beaters flexin and cursing and shit at his age. Fucking clown. This my opinion so fuck a hater. Joe Budden all day. Speak yo mind.
May 17, 2009 11:04 PM
 

Train_Of_Thought said:

Melle Mel was wack  sorry. At that time I guess it was cool but like I said in 2009 HONESTLY it has no replay value at all. Maybe at a party but it gets no play in my personal time. Admit it. By the way I'm 32 not no young dude. Meth is my nigga though
May 17, 2009 11:06 PM
 

GutterComedy said:

Joe Buddens has done to many X pills for real. haha but i do agree with melly mel even though I listen to Joey's music sometimes. He is by the ass crack  of hip hop  hahahha
May 18, 2009 10:32 AM
 

Way2Kool said:

Did Melle Mel say that the magazine rated Eminem #1???

@zayzkidd3

You beat me to the question about Slim Shady being #1. I heard dude on an underground compilation CD with rappers from all around California that I purchased in 1998 called "The Anonymous: Green and Gold."  Eminem did his thing on the cd but The Grouch, Medusa, Erule, Jizzm, Neb Love (5 Footaz), Mystik Journeyman and Iriscience came with as much if not more heat.  Mainstream cracks me up.
May 18, 2009 7:48 PM
 

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May 19, 2009 5:53 PM
 

Analyze Dis: Joe Budden Takes Shots at Method Man, Wu-Tang, Busta Rhymes, Melle Mel, and Pope Benedict | The Rap Up said:

June 19, 2009 5:27 PM
 

HipHopologizt said:

No doubt, Melle Mel was a pioneer in Hip Hop, he WAS a great lyricist, I still listen to him til this day, I respect what he has done, but, Joe has a point, have you heard Melle Mel recently? He dropped a solo album in 2007 under the name Grandmaster Mele Mel, and I must say, I was very, very disappointed, the lyrics were just horrendous, instead of staying real and keeping it in the essence, he tried to fit in with todays cRap, give it a listen, i dare you to try and enjoy it without laughing and shaking your head. In order to be the "GOAT" you have to be dope throughout your whole career, he fell off a long time ago. If you had sex with a virgin 10 years ago and the pussy was great, the best you have ever had, then afterwords she became whorish and fucked many men, then the pussy became loose and roast beefish, you wouldn't fuck her today and say "that's the greatest pussy ever!" would you? It was great at one point, but it wasn't well maintained over the years and lost its quality, the pussy wasn't doing its kegal exercises; Mele Mel is no longer in lyrical fitness (it all went to his physique)
June 20, 2009 7:36 AM
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