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Smoking Gun: Trayvon Martin’s DNA Not Found on Gun Grip

(AllHipHop News) The Trayvon Martin murder case has been anything but an open and shut case but might have just received its most definitive evidence yet. According to Florida Department of Law Enforcement DNA expert Anthony Gorgone, Trayvon’s DNA was not found on the grip of the murder weapon nor was George Zimmerman’s DNA found under Martin’s fingernails.

As an attempt to counter, the defense attorney Don West questioned Gorgone on the packaging of the DNA samples, implying that improper packaging could lead to inaccurate results. Gorgone asserted that the evidence was packaged in plastic while wet and retained all necessary qualities.

In addition to this damning evidence, Florida Department of Law Enforcement analyst Amy Siewert testified that due to residual material and tearing on Martin’s clothes, it revealed that the gun was pressed against Trayvon when fired.

 

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  • dexter

    ok I consider myself a pretty smart guy… but can some1 plz give me the jist of this report…his a$$ going 2 jail r not? post a guilty verdict…

    • Inmadopicouroz✓QUEENSᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      NI99a shut the fUiK up! u dumb!

    • youtube the testimony.

      • dexter

        Im on it. thanks bruh…

      • dexter

        edog they not showing the actual testimony less i am doing smthng wrong finding it…

      • EDOGZ818@AOL.COM

        Hit me & I’ll hit you back with a link.

      • dexter

        u got it EDOG?

    • Mec-One

      Oh, he going to jail! This whole case is just to figure out how long.

  • disqus_Qz4GEHNAYR

    Just from what I’ve heard on this case, it does not sound like George would be found guilty. Also, as far as Trayvon’s DNA not being on the gun, I hear that can happen any time but it does not necessarily mean that he did not touch the gun. Last I heard, there wasn’t even a usable sample of DNA from George on his own gun.

    • dexter

      thank u for an informative response….
      INTELLIGENCE: Not because u think u noe everything without question, but rather because u question everything u think u noe…

      • disqus_Qz4GEHNAYR

        Just stating what I’ve heard on tv so far. Not saying any of it is true or not.

      • dexter

        kool kool… its all about sharing info hommie u done good trust me…

  • obamasuxass

    I foresee a riot due to lack of justice in this case

    • dexter

      *interesting take*

  • Truth Powell

    “most definitive evidence yet”? Who the hell writes these things?

  • pauleyPee

    Ok. So theoretical reasonable doubt is one thing… But actual reasonable doubt in the eyes of jurors? Different story.

    In most cases, the state ends up having to tie a case made up of circumstantial evidence to physical evidence, and to a motive… Always a challenge for the state which is why confessions are so coveted. And because of the nature of cases like this, the threshold for reasonable doubt is relatively low. Again, these cases usually have a defendent who totally denies doing a crime… That’s how Casey Anthony won acquittal, that’s how O.J. won acquittal, so forth and so on. But this case is different.

    The state doesn’t have to prove a death, find the weapon used, find witnesses, or find the killer… George Zimmerman basically gave all of that up. The only question is obviously and famously whether the killing was committed as an act of self-defense. First of all, in a self-defense case, the burden of proof legally falls upon the defendant, not on the state… And given the evidence already established in this case, there is only one buffer between acquittal and conviction: The defendant’s story.

    In this case, the defendant’s story isn’t jiving with any of the unimpeached evidence. In other words, George Zimmerman’s story isn’t credible on any of the proovable fronts. Big problem for him. So, unlike in most cases, the only thing the state has left to prove is motive. And therefore, this case isn’t about a conviction. Anybody with common sense can see that a conviction is a foregone conclusion. The real fight is between Murder 2 and Manslaughter. Whether the state can prove motive or not is going to determine this.

    Murder 2 in Florida? 25 to Life when factoring in the mandatory gun enhancement. Manslaughter? 25 no “L” with the mandatory gun enhancement factored.

    So… This dude is going to jail and he’s going for a long long time. He’ll be in administrative segregation for the whole term; in a cell by himself 22-23 hours a day. And if he does get free, now or later? Every dollar he makes from here on out will undoubtedly belong to Trayvon’s estate. Civil case’s are a bitch… Ask O.J.

    Remember that I said it first! #Sweatin #Woo

    • dexter

      See? & thank u much my good sir… very informative:)

    • Jay Smith

      It doesn’t matter if he goes to jail or not….

      The important part is, he’ll be haunted for the rest of his life since everyone in the U.S. knows what he looks like…

      ALL THIS, because he wanted to be nosey….. I DESPISE nosey people…

      Let the gerbil look over his shoulder for the rest of his life… or rot in jail for 15 years… Either way is good for me.

      • dexter

        good point I think the consensus here has his a$$ in jail… & but u rite last i checkd it was a bounty on his head from the streets. I don’t see that changing if he getz off…

      • Jay Smith

        “dont see that changing” ?? …. It’s going to change alright…..

        It’s going to multiply by 5 …

        If I was him, I’d tell the judge to put me in jail for 5 years… Just so the general population will let him live once he gets out

      • I doubt anyone tries to collect that bounty, if it even exist.

    • I gotta disagree with you again ( Like Chin Play’s bail )

      I think Zimmerman walks. He never said that Tray grabbed his gun, he said Tray reached for it. Zimmerman was injured in the scuffle.

      I think Zimmerman will walk, just as Tray should have if he killed Z.

      Mutual Combatants.

      Pressing the gun against Tray supports Zimmerman’s claims of CQB. (Close Quarter Battle)

      If anything, I expect Blacks to take heed & next time, take out the threat….permanently.

      • Eli Pinilla

        Zimmerman said the reason he shot trayvon was cuz he was going for his gun…the dna not founf under trayvons nails proves he wasnt the one on top gouging zimmerman from an offensive standpoint…..this cound be the death nail for zimmerman

      • Key word = Going for, he never said he grabbed it, so there wouldn’t be any DNA on it.

      • Eli Pinilla

        If im not mistaken, I think he said that he felt trayvon grab the grip of the gun.

      • I saw his videotaped statement, he said while on his back, with Tray mounted on him, his shirt came up, Tray saw the whammer & reached for it, Z said he pinned Tray’s arm between his own body & right arm , drew the hammer & fired.

        I’ll send it to you on FB.

        If Z remains quiet, he walks. IMHO

      • NoGuts_NoGlory

        it was pitch black back there how did he see the gun?

      • True, that was my mistake / misquote :
        He stated that he “FELT” Tray saw the gun & “FELT” like Tray was going for it.

        He was describing his own state of mind, not Tray’s, as he couldn’t speak upon whatever Tray was going through.

        Again, that’s “HIS STORY”, and in no way do I support or condone his actions, except for crunch time. At that point, he had to do what he had to do, regardless of how he got there, but getting there is a big part of the case.

        There was a similar incident, eerily similar, but with an actual burglar, who fled, and Zim’s description lead to the burglar’s apprehension, again, so he says, and the guy was white, but chose to flee, & Zim didn’t pursue.

        A mistake? Yes, but I just don’t feel it was Zim’s intent to kill, nor do I feel that Zimmerman was negligent or reckless in his conduct, and was acting in good faith, even though his faith was / is fugged up. (*Profiling)

        No intent, no negligence / unlawful activity…both had a right to stand their ground, IMHO.

      • pauleyPee

        He actually said that at several points. Z’s “best friend” also just testified that Z said TM grabbed his gun, too. Another friend has also repeatedly said that on national news at every opportunity.

      • Neither were there, so that doesn’t contradict Z’s statement, and it’s hearsay, so it’s inadmissible.

        That’s like the 4 Gospels being written by a third party, contradicting what Jesus said.

      • pauleyPee

        Again… EDOG… I like your competitive attitude towards debate… But in the court of law? You lack a working knowledge. The great thing about the legal system is that it truly takes an artisan to understand all it’s intricacies… I’ve been involved in the system, so I thoroughly understand it. With that said, third party statements might or not matter depending on the legal circumstances surrounding them. I’m not going to argue legal terms today though. Again, we’ll see when the case wraps up.

      • >>Fist Bump Explosion followed by high 5

      • pauleyPee

        Another death nail? “Trayvon covered my mouth with a forearm and a hand!” In the meantime, forensic experts testify that NONE of George Zimmerman’s DNA was found on TM’s sleeves, cuffs, or hands. Another? “When I hung up the phone, Trayvon ran up on me from 15 ft. and then punched me.” In later statements “Trayvon jumped out of a bush and I never really saw him coming at me… He just punched me.” Etc. Etc. Etc.

      • Not exactly what he said:

        “GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL WITNESS CHRIS SERINO 7.1.13”

        Youtube it & watch Zimmerman’s videotaped statement & hear his audio taped one.

        Maybe it’s me, but I find it believable that Tray sucka punched the sucka….I mean, that’s what sucka punches are for, Right? Punching suckaz.

        It was raining, so it’s possible that the DNA could have washed off Trays hands, as they were exposed to the rain.

        Zim was wrong in suspecting Tray of wrong doing, that much isn’t in doubt, but Tray’s reaction put him in a position where he had to defend himself, according to Zim’s statement.

        Imagine you hear a noise, grab the Mocha’ & go check it out…see a stranger, & he’s like “WTF is your problem?” Snuffs you, & let’s face reality, how hard would it have been to drop Zim with a 1 hitter quitter? So if your down, losing the struggle, and possibly that Mocha’, you have two choices, squeeze off or risk losing it & getting that Mocha.

        Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 applies.

      • NoGuts_NoGlory

        hey it wasnt raining as in a down pour. I live in orlando and the “rain” they keep talking about was a very light drizzle

      • The grass was still wet, and afterwards, Zimmerman flipped Tray face down & spread his hands away from his body, on the wet grass.

        Trust me, Bruh! I’ve seen juries acquit people for shooting an unarmed blackman 40 & 50 times….but the shooters were cops.

      • LaRenard

        Where are the photos to prove he ‘flipped’ him over and spread his arms? Witness photo taken minutes before the police arrived showed different scenario. What photos did you see to make that statement? Documentation beats conversation ALL DAY LONG

      • I didn’t see any photos, that was based on Zimmeran’s video recorded statement, as he told his side of the story.

        If admitted, it’s evidence, with the same weight as a photo. #IJS

      • LaRenard

        Well the photos I saw clearly showed TM lying face down, in that wet grass with the sidewalk some 2 feet away. Somebody got some ‘plaining’ to do

      • You mean Face up?

        Zimmerman said he pushed Tray off him, moved his hands, to clear them, before turning him over, presumably in the picture you saw. (With the yellow police evidence #’s, with Tray on the grass, on his back, palms down in the wet grass.)

        Wet grass, palms down, no dna = Explainable

        Prosecutions case is weak. Should have charged Zimmerman with violation of civil rights.

      • Jay Smith

        “mutual combatants” ?….

        What’s “mutual” about you walking down the street at night, and somebody watches you for 5 minutes, then gets out of their car and walks up to you (probably in an aggressive manner)… At NIGHT? Look up the word “mutual” before you say some dumb shit like that again.

      • pauleyPee

        Good luck arguing mutual combat when you’re armed and your opponent isn’t… And then he you use your gun on him. #fail

      • I doubt Tray knew he was armed.

        Keep it real, if you were chillin & Zim walked up on some average racist Bool’chet, you gonna tell me that you wouldn’t beat the skin off his forehead? Especially if you’re young, not in control of your hands & used to schmackin’ the chet out of Hoe @$$ Ninjaz for less.

      • pauleyPee

        Either way, all that doesn’t matter… He pursued Trayvon Martin, according to the evidence. So, it’s his burden to not only state that he wasn’t following Trayvon, but to prove it. Self-defense is the defendents burden to prove…. And so far, he hasn’t proven it. He’s only contradicted himself. Don’t argue with me, it’s his own words.

      • Following isn’t illegal.

      • pauleyPee

        Following is totally legal. But trying to convince reasonable people that you feared for your life while following your would-be killer who was otherwise minding his own business? Good luck eith one.

      • I agree, but that’s not what he said during his video & audio statement.

        He also stated that the dispatcher asked him Tray’s whereabouts, and that’s why he followed, but I haven’t heard the whole 911 call to verify, but I doubt he lied about that, given how easily it was for the cops to verify, and they didn’t challenge him on it.

        Loose Lips sink ships & his final interview, after he was Mirandized by cops that were actually investigating didn’t go as well as the kid gloves treatment he initially received.

        To hear the first interview made me sick to my stomach, as the cops were VERBALLY more concerned with Zimmerman getting home & getting some sleep, than the actually death of Tray.

      • Mutual meaning Tray was with a brawl, like most would be.

        Z’s statement was that Tray snuffed him, which basically was the opening bell.
        *Making it Mutual

        Intent?

        It’s not there, in reality.

        Z called the Jake, when he was attacked, according to his video statement, supported by the 911 calls.

        I think both would walk, even if Tray killed Z.
        It’s a tragedy, but it wasn’t an execution.

        It’s not far fetched to believe that Tray whupped his a$$ for fuggin’ with him, and Zimmerman went for the gat because he’s p*$$Y, as well as he couldn’t let Tray take it.

        Definite lessons to be learned.

      • pauleyPee

        You have to watch all the testimony in sequence to really understand this case. And I’ve watched it every day all day. Trust me, Z’s not winning this case (so far). On the other hand, his lawyers are really really good so they may make a miracle during their portion of the case.

      • LaRenard

        Guess what? Based on reading what you have written, I ‘think’ you are either a relative of Zimmerman or on the defense team perpetrating a fraud

      • >>In Joe Pesci’s Voice : “Ok! OKay! OKAY!”

        You got me man, I can’t get over on you.

        >>FacePalm

      • pauleyPee

        I respect your opinion EDOG… But the point I’m making is about inconsistencies. From the perspective of the state, they knew that they wouldn’t win a hypothetical battle… Because George Zimmerman can tell is side and Trayvon cannot. So, they chose to challenge the viability of the living’s statement. And the state has more than done that. Again, I said it first. Just like I told you Gunplay would make bail months ago!!!!!

      • You definitely called it on ChinPlay, but you fail to accept the fact that the Chin received bond after an Arthur hearing, which is the only way to get bond on a non bond-able offense such as armed robbery.

        So count that as a draw….not a win.
        #IJS

        We were both right.

        So far, and I’m not following it closely, but Zim has been consistent. IMHO

        Point out where he wasn’t & I will re evaluate my opinion.

      • pauleyPee

        Your memory is bad. I said he would make bail, and without qualification, you said he would not make bail……… Verdict: he made bail and the case was dropped. Nigga, that ain’t a draw! #aintNobodyGotTimeForThat #IcanDivide

      • LOL~N

        I did quality my position & clearly stated that the only way to get bail, in Fla, on armed robbery, is an Arthur Hearing.

        You on point though, & you got that one…even clearly, you did call it, but so did I.
        #TeamArthur

        ^^ EverybodyGotTime4Dat!

  • Guest

    Ok. So theoretical reasonable doubt is one thing… But actual reasonable doubt in the eyes of jurors? Different story.

    In most cases, the state ends up having to tie a case made up of circumstantial evidence to physical evidence, and to a motive… Always a challenge for the state which is why confessions are so coveted. And because of the nature of cases like this, the threshold for reasonable doubt is relatively low. Again, these cases usually have a defendent who totally denies doing a crime… That’s how Casey Anthony won acquittal, that’s how O.J. won acquittal, so forth and so on. But this case is different.

    The state doesn’t have to prove a death, find the weapon used, find witnesses, or find the killer… George Zimmerman basically gave all of that up. The only question is obviously and famously whether the killing was committed as an act of self-defense. First of all, in a self-defense case, the burden of proof legally falls upon the defendant, not on the state… And given the evidence already established in this case, there is only one buffer between acquittal and conviction: The defendant’s story.

    In this case, the defendant’s story isn’t jiving with any of the unimpeached evidence. In other words, George Zimmerman’s story isn’t credible on any of the proovable fronts. Big problem for him. So, unlike in most cases, the only thing the state has left to prove is motive. And therefore, this case isn’t about a conviction. Anybody with common sense can see that a conviction is a foregone conclusion. The real fight is between Murder 2 and Manslaughter. Whether the state can prove motive or not is going to determine this.

    Murder 2 in Florida? 25 to Life when factoring in the mandatory gun enhancement. Manslaughter? 25 no “L” with the mandatory gun enhancement factored.

    So… This dude is going to jail and he’s going for a long long time. He’ll be in administrative segregation for the whole term; in a cell by himself 22-23 hours a day. And if he does get free, now or later? Every dollar he makes from here on out will undoubtedly belong to Trayvon’s estate. Civil case’s are a bitch… Ask O.J.

    Remember that I said it first! #Sweatin #Woo

  • Jay Smith

    I wish I was on Trayvon’s defense team…. This would be my closing argument to the Jury…

    -If a black man, stares down an old white lady for 5 minutes at night in his car…. Before getting out of his car to aggressively walk up to the lady… And she Pepper sprays him.. Then he shoots her dead… Does the black guy go to jail?

    -If a grown man is in his car, watching a 12 year old girl for 4 minutes, at night…. Then gets out of his car and walks up to her… She uses a stun gun on him, unprompted… He pulls out a gun and kills her… Does he go to jail?

    So what is the difference between these other 2 examples and George Zimmerman?

    I rest my case

    ***If anyone knows Trayvon’s lawyers twitter, leave it here and I’ll send this to him… or, you send it to him… Even the best lawyers can overlook the best offense at times**

    • Wow!

      Hard to argue against that, but I would reply:

      If the Black man had called the police to report her suspicious activity, and she pepper sprayed him, and reached for his gun, and he shot her during the struggle, would he go to jail if he was a police officer? Does a citizen have less of a right to defend themselves than the police?

      ************************

      Side Note: the “INTENT” was not there. Zimmerman wasn’t out to catch a body, just trying to help his community. (Not saying he didn’t overstep, just that it wasn’t his intent.)

      Once a fight starts, it’s life & death, for the most part, unless it’s some kid ‘chet.

      Zimmerman did get fugged up, there is no disputing that, due to his injuries, while Tray’s injuries were a GSWX1 & possibly bruised knuckles.

      Zim bit off more than he could chew, that’s undeniable.

    • illynois95

      trayvon doesn’t have lawyers, they are prosecuters for the state. and while those are accurate analogies, they would get laughed out of a courtroom.

    • Truth Powell

      getting hit by pepper spray or zapped by a stun gun isn’t the same as having an aggressive stranger (that you dont know how far they’re going to go in their attack) on top of you MMA style beating you in a dark space with no one around. The purpose of mace and stun guns is to stop aggression non lethally and without trauma so you can get away.
      Really folks stop looking at race and look at the facts. If you’ve never even been in a situation where someone attacked you like that you shouldn’t even be speaking on this case. If you’re alone with no backup and some dude is on top of you wailing and no one’s around to help what would you do??
      And no you do not have the right to beat someone just cuz they approach you and ask what you’re doing somewhere.

  • Tre C

    what irresponsible reporting from this article. His fingerprints not being on the gun is not a “smoking gun”. Stick to music AHH

    • Sean Taylor

      It says DNA not fingerprints. You do know there’s a difference between the two right??

      • Keith N.

        I’m sure he does..and I’m sure he knows that someone’s DNA not being on the gun means they did not hold the gun meaning he was not the aggressor…but I’m sure Tre C knew that.

      • Sean Taylor

        Actually you CAN hold a gun without your DNA being on it. Yall watch too much CSI / First 48.

        Welcome to the REAL world.

        And just because there was no DNA found does not mean he wasn’t the aggressor. I can follow someone if I want but the person that lays the first blow is the aggressor.

        Bye bye!!

  • NoGuts_NoGlory

    what i find even stranger is that not even George’s Fingerprints was found on his gun or trigger.
    Plus if trayvon was on top of George how does he get his gun from under trayvon. Visualize this if someone is on top of you MMA style raining down blows, slamming your head on concrete, and you are not protecting your face taking hits. 1. how do you get the gun from under trayvon bc he is on his knees straddling him. 2. if he does get his gun how does he shoot trayvon in his chest with his arms in a downward motion and leaning over him?

    • It’s called “Shrimping” in MMA, or “squirming” outside of it.
      (Shrimping is an actual technique though )

      Zim’s story is that when his shirt came up, and it’s not clear if Zimmerman pulled guard, which would make it easy, but Tray was mounted (*According to Zim, and to take it at face value, Tray reached down with his left, while Zim trapped Tray’s left between Zim’s right arm & body, that would free up the right to draw, while blocking Tray’s right with Zim’s left.

      Definitely feasible, according to Zim’s videotaped statement.

      • Eli Pinilla

        Crazier still is zimmerman trained in mma for 2 years….so his stoey of trayvon bein on top of him is laqhable

      • Not really, but I didn’t know that.

        His story is that Tray duffed him, str8 off the muscle, so it’s not that laughable at all. I’ve seen a MMA (Amateur) fighter get mounted & rode by some street dude, although the MMA fighter was giving up 75lbs & strength, the MMA fighter eventually escaped & finished, but he was rode for a bit.

        I’m sure you’ve seen boxers ( amateur ) lose street fights etc.

        The thing is, and I don’t support Zimmerman, but there isn’t any evidence to the contrary. Dead men tell no tales.

      • Eli Pinilla

        He had like 30-40 pounds on trayvon. And to your story. Even the dude u seen got out. So he didnt need the gun…to me edo, he fucked up when the disspatcher told him not to follow and he did anyways. Anything after that it was on his own will.

      • I agree, but so far, there is no evidence that he followed Tray after being told not to.

        (Which if true, totally sinks Zim’s chances, we are in agreement upon that.)

        Emotions & bias aside, his story is that after being told not to follow, he was asked if he still wanted an officer to respond, to which he replied yes, and when asked for an address, he didn’t know the street ( Ok, that sounds like BS ) but he went out to find a street sign, and upon walking back, he states that Tray crept up & duffed him after a brief verbal exchange, consisting of Tray asking him if he had a problem, to which he replied NO, then Tray said “You do now!” & hooked off.

        Not many will “Intentionally” fight with a whammer on them, but it has happened, but if those are the facts, and that’s a big “IF”, it is self defense. Will you street fight if you have a whammer on you or would you try and avoid the confrontation?

        If dude duffs you & sets it off, what do you do?
        Fugg a fair one, IMO, if you have a fair fight, you’re doing something wrong.

        ( Unless it’s a mutual fight / homies, etc. )

        Especially if 1 gun boxing.

        #IJS

      • NoGuts_NoGlory

        actually GZ did say he was following him. When the guy said that we dont need you to do that and he said ok, GZ kept going the same way he never changed direction bc you can hear the wind in the same direction he was going, but later you hear the sound clear up.You are right it was BS about the streets bc it was only 3 streets and he lives on the street name that he forgot the name of.

      • Yes, he did say he was following & told to stop, but he claims he was told in some fashion to either follow, or was asked information by the police that required him to follow in order to ascertain Tray’s location.

        Personally, I feel he did go out of his way to confront Tray, but there is no evidence of that, and there is evidence of Zimmerman calling for police assistance, and knowing the police are on their way, it’s hard to argue that he staged the shooting, with INTENT to kill.

        How many 2nd degree murderers ran after the police are called? How many waited until they knew the police were on their way before committing the crime?

        Was it some racist fugg ‘chet? Kinda, it definitely had racial overtones in regards to the profiling, in a nutshell, Zim did the right thing, but for the wrong reasons, which is worse than Trayvon doing the wrong thing (*Beating Zimmerman’s bigoted @$$) for the right reason. (*Profiling + Pressing up on him )

        I think Zim tried to jam up / step to Tray & got fugged up, but on the same token, I don’t think Zim did anything “ILLEGAL.”

        He has caught a burglar in the past, and he could have just been trying to look out for his community, and made a tragic, or negligent mistake, but in no way would I convict a man in his position, any more than I would have voted to convict Tray if he would have took the whammer & jelly rolled Zimmerman.

      • NoGuts_NoGlory

        That’s the thing… take GZ story at face value. he said he was trying to get up and TM was slamming his head back down. He never mentioned once that he defended himself. all he said was he kept trying to sit up. So you are saying during this knockdown drag out fight and being pummeled, GZ had the state of mind to take the punches and heads being slammed to trap TM hand shrimp to get enough room to grab the gun at the same time?

      • Not sure what style he trained in, or what level, or how often, 1 hour class every 5 months for 2 yrs, or 60hrs a week, on his back for 2 yrs.

        At face value, I would think shrimping would be automatic & constant, otherwise, well, if you just lay stationary in the guard, you will get pounded out.

        If you watch, it’s subtle, but constant, and part of position, maintaining or changing, so an auto shrimp is actually more plausible based on the 2yr mma background, to the point where it might be taught in the first class, definitely pointed out the first time you don’t do it.

        That is a non issue though, if Trayvon swung first (*according to his story) lethal force was authorized, due to the struggle & presence of the firearm, which is why I feel that Trayvon would have been justified in killing Zimmerman, even if he did swing first, as obviously, his life was on the line & lost.

        So once the jury starts debating the shrimp, Zimmerman won.

        IMHO

        At that stage, lethal force is authorized, especially with the bruises on Zimmerman, and none on Tray.

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    FROM YA BOY GUTTA

    • Who’s Independence?

      • Matt Swan

        Mine

      • In what country?

      • Matt Swan

        This one the USofA

      • Side Note:

        Google “Meritorious Manumission”

        >>Steps back in case your head explodes while researching it

      • Matt Swan

        For others that don’t know what my man’s talking about: The Meritorious Manumission Act of 1710 was the legal act of freeing a slave for “good deeds” as defined by the national public policy. Meritorious Manumission could be granted to a slave who distinguished himself by saving the life of a white master or his property, inventing something that a white slave master could make a profit from or snitching on a slave rebellion

        Well that doesn’t apply to me because I haven’t done anything listed above, but it was extremely informative. Doesn’t change the fact that this is my country, where I lay my head, and where I’ll be laid to rest. And it’s yours too being that you are blessed with a happy marriage, and healthy children that you might not have had if you weren’t here. You are living what I wish I had, so no hate here, so enjoy the independence that you, we have because as crooked as this country is, there is nowhere else where you can make the choices we do and get the chances we take for granted.

      • *nothing at all to do with you, but a helluva “Word Of the DaY”.
        #IJS

        You make some valid points, but that doesn’t make what’s going on acceptable or right, IMHO.

  • Matt Swan

    I think the prosecution was weak. Zimmermans going to walk on this. It seems all the witnesses they called only helped the defense, and as it went along, the defense didn’t have to work during cross exam, the prosecution asked all the right questions for them. I don’t think justice will be served for Trayvon here, but I’ve read rumors that folk down there were talking about if he walks then they were going “open season” on white folk. This is going to lead into very unessicary pain and those that will feel it won’t have anything to do with the case or the two families involved. I think Trayvons family if denied in this judicial form should take the case to civil court where the burden of proof isn’t as hard to prove, and they can make him feel the pain through his pockets. Nothing in this world will bring this man back, killing innocent random whites will not serve his memory, but allowing the system to fail like it’s going to, and making people more aware of the problems with FL’s stand your ground law, can make a positive outcome from a totally negative situation. And civil court will make Zimmerman pay, pay literally for the rest of his sorry life.

    • Nothing wrong with the Stand your ground law, IMHO, if Tray would have disarmed Zimmerman & gave him some Mocha’, the law would have shielded Tray….if he was white.

      As far as open season…you can’t put a man on a hot stove, then get mad at him for what he says.

      If the community sets it off, who knows, but rolling over & playing dead…as usual, isn’t the answer, although I don’t know what is, but it shouldn’t interfere with the families civil action.

      • Matt Swan

        You just said it as the caveat at the end of your paragraph…if he were white. I’m not going to lie and say that color has no bearing in the judicial system, but we can’t always use the race card or it will loose its intended effect. Trayvons mother said there was an issue with it, based on what you look like, and where you live. That’s profiling and is illegal as hell…except in NYC for some reason. I believe what she said, and I also believe there is more to this than we will ever know, being one of the participants are deceased. Zimmerman’s gonna walk out a proud man, yet he will be scorned for the rest of his life, not just by those he impacted, but by any employer out there he tries to get with.

        Rolling over and playing dead is not an option. But going crazy and rioting isn’t going to bring the man back, and where is the lesson to be learned with that? All we’re going to do is the same shit we always do and tear up our OWN neighborhoods, run the few businesses there out, hurt a lot of innocent people..our OWN people first, and in the end, look for a handout and complain that no one came to help. And for that white person that gets hurt, look back at the riots in LA after the King beating. THEY FOUND THE FOOLS WHO DID IT!! Nothing was learned for future generations not to repeat, so why not try and stop it now while we have time? Zimmermans going to pay one way or the other. If he gets off, then let the civil courts ruin him for the rest of his life. Man won’t be able to get shit without Trayvon getting it first. That would help his siblings in their future. Violence begets violence and this isn’t the place although it’s argueable this is the time.

      • Lessons in this case is :
        >>In Big Daddy Kane’s voice : “Ain’t no 1/2 stepping!”

        Same lesson as always, if you aren’t prepared to go all the way, you aren’t prepared to go anywhere.

        Violence does beget violence, this is so true, and in this case, it would be a case of the chickens coming home to roost.
        In a democracy, the minority ALWAYS loses, and the whole “cultural diversity” thing is a smoke screen to keep Blacks the permanent minority. (IE: Immigration laws )

        It’s never gonna be the right place, but it’s always going to be the right time, that’s the sad part, because it’s as true now, as it was the day the 1st stolen African landed.

        I’m not advocating any rioting, but I damn sure ain’t trying to stop it unless it negatively impacts the tiny little section I’m living in.

        I’m not protesting either, I’ll keep rolling over, playing dead, until I have no other choice, knowing full well that it will be too late by then, and any potential back up I could have had, will have been taken out, as individuals already.

        We are slaves, with no human rights here in America. Not sure what country you in, that you have independence, but enjoy it. I guess this is the future we are leaving our seeds.

      • Matt Swan

        I’m in the same country as you are although you can share some of those lovely PR mami’s with us down here. But seriously, I am in the land of the free. I get to make the choices and through them I reap the rewards or the pain of them. I’m in the land of the free; I can live the American dream. I can get a legit job that can support me and my family I can get a education which I am doing by way of college. I live in the land of the free, because I am free to roam across this land anytime I want to. I’m in the land of the free because I did my small part to ensure it stays this way. It’s not perfect by any means, but there is nowhere else better and with more opportunities than here. I was born free, lived free, and will die free right here. You are entitled to your opinion but this is mine.

      • You part of the sovereign movement? The dude’s that renounced their citizenship in the corporation, and no longer need permission / permits / licenses to :
        “Hint, fish, drive, travel, build a home, marry, engage in commerce, protect themselves, etc.?

        A FREE man doesn’t need permission, a “FREED” one does though.

        #IJS

        >>Proclaims loudly, with righteous indignation for wifey who be snooping:

        “I’m happily married & would never partake in the lovely PR mami’s down there!”

        >>Sends Matt an email from secret account that says:

        “Fugg that, I’m down! :)”

      • Matt Swan

        You a damn fool lmao!!! But don’t hog them all up. I want one, or two, aww hell send me a bushel of em and I’ll sort em out

      • “My game is vicious & cruel, fuggin’ chicks is a rule, if my girl think I’m loyal, then that B’ish is a fool!” …Big L Freestyle

    • best_believe

      Your not gonna hurt his pockets. He’s getting money donated left and right. Look at him. Dude is eating better then ever. And to top it off he’s Latino. And everybody is blaming whites. When you look at Zimmerman and you see Latino.

      • Matt Swan

        Yes he might be eating better than ever, but even though he looks Latino he claims to be white. I think he’s mixed and just calls himself white. IJS. But with the civil case, Tray’s mom CAN hit him good in the wallet and whatever he does get he looses. He ain’t no OJ and in Zimmermans case the glove did fit. But I still think he’s gonna walk. He’s NBC for defamation. If he got a settlement from that, he’d loose it in the civil trial. He’s gonna loose one way or the other

    • $16073911

      Thank you Matt Swan. I do appreciate what you have said here.
      But I certainly hope that this news of the new eveidence about Travon will definately help in this case to put Travon’s killer away for the rest of his life.

      • Matt Swan

        I honestly hope so too. There’s no winner in this, but there didn’t have to be a looser either. And I hope this will shut his ignorant brother up with all the ranting and raving he has done during this trial. Hope and pray for the best, but be ready for the worst. I hope justice is done and the sentence fits the crime.

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  • ONE

    ” Happy white peoples independence day, the slaves weren’t free, but i’m sure they enjoyed the fireworks ” – Chris Rock. lol

    • LOL~N

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  • Mr.CPT

    White people are on their tippy toes right now. Bekuz if this dude don’t go done, its going to be some fire in the city.

    • Sean Taylor

      hahaha I guess you’ve never been to Sanford. Yeah burn it down…burn down your own city. That’s smart…..

      Nobody in Central Florida gives a f*ck about Sanford.

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  • patty c

    Slaved were freed over 150 years ago so what have these free people done to better their lives and that of their children and grandchildren in that 150 years? Oh , yea, entitlements to take care of them without having to work for a master. Run all day, par-tay all night, do drugs, get drunk, have lots of income babies. Not all do this but come on now…One Hundred And Fifty Years and STILL screaming about being slaves? Failure to assimilate into society, failure to work your butt off to get ahead, failure to parent your children so they can do better with a good education and job future? How much longer before they stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for their lives. Nothing has changed in 150+ years except they no longer work for their money (welfare), food (food stamps) roof over their heads (Hud)…..go cry somewhere else.

    • $16073911

      What is your problem missy. Are you Ms Perfection on the face of this earth ?
      This news story update is only in regards to the new eveidence of the killing of Travon Martin.
      Where do you come off bashing ppl with all you ignorant and false commenting?
      #1. Stay on topic
      #2. Keep you ignoranant talk to yourself. No one is interested in your biggoted views!
      #3. If you can’t say anything nice about ppl in this world..Go find another world where you can be in peace with yourself, maybe.
      #4 I am a 60yr. old White man, and YOU disgust me! .

  • Raesielle

    Bottom line with is this, he was a volunteer neighbor hood watch, in which he had NO AUTHORITY to have or use a gun. If he would’ve just done what the 911 operator told him to do, let the police handle it, this would have been another situation. He decided to pursue, making hime the aggressor. End of story, the rest is utter BS. The problem with this is they, he didn’t know his role, and wanted more authority then he had. If he wanted to carry a gun in the line of duty, he should’ve been a cop. Either way George Zimmerman was at fault. One thing further from being in law enforcement myself, is that he is a civilian without the proper education and training (Most states it takes at least 500 hours to be eligible for becoming an police officer), the kid wasn’t committing ANY felony and no ones life was in danger.

    • Matt Swan

      Good points, but it seems the prosecution forgot all that, and seems to be doing it’s damnest to help the defendant, I think if he was to get convicted, he would claim the defense was doing a shabby job while the prosecutors were damn near working for him. How did the two mothers get on the stand and when asked “who is that screaming in the background” expect nothing less than for both of them to say it’s their respective child? That is the setup of the new millennia to me. He’s neighbor hood watch, and was unable to remember the street he was following Tray on? And to make it worse, he LIVED on the SAME street!!! WTF?!?!?!?!?!?! There are so many blown chances by the DA that is he was a NFL QB or head coach they’d both be fired for their inability to seal the deal after multiple 4th and inches attempts. One could only hope that the lawyers for the defendant are as inept and maybe then the prosecution could make a few scores. And all those officers they put up there saying his story never changed….OF COURSE IT WOULDN’T!! All I have to do is act contrite and remorseful, and since there is no one to challenge me but the M.E. who isn’t a cop, I’m damn near free. He took classes in law enforcement, applied for many and was not selected…why wasn’t that brought up instead of a witless witness who said Zim was his best student in class? Com on son wake up and do your jobs and do them right. Stop looking for that book deal we ALL know is coming. Your bit part in the made for TV movie can wait.