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Lupe Fiasco & Talib Kweli Blast Writer For Mentioning Their Names In An Article About Drake & Future’s Mixtape


(AllHipHop News) Drake and Future’s collaborative mixtape What A Time To Be Alive has received some mixed reviews from the public so far. Cleveland artist Kid Cudi seems to feel the project is mediocre, and at least one blogger has called Drake’s latest musical move awkward and ill-fitting.

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Not everyone is down on what Drizzy and Future Hendrix created. But one Complex writer’s attempt to school “real rap fans” on why they need to “stop hating” on WATTBA backfired when he decided to mention Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli in his article.

Angel Diaz wrote:

What exactly is that “real” sh*t then? Turn up music isn’t “real” hip-hop? How so? Was the genre not invented at a goddamn party? Isn’t music about having a good time? I’m dead tired of you cats, man. You make my head hurt. Can’t be listening to Talib Kweli rap off beat and Lupe Fiasco deep cuts at BBQs. I, too, was once like you, but come on, don’t nobody wanna hear that sh*t all the f*cking time.

Fiasco saw the piece and fired back on Twitter. The “Adoration of the Magi” rhymer called out the website and the writer, telling Complex to “keep Lupe name out that f*cksh*t” and “stop using real mc’s names in vain for likes.”

Lupe even had an exchange with Diaz on the social media platform. Kweli also addressed the issue on his Twitter timeline.

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Read Lupe Fiasco, Angel Diaz, and Talib Kweli tweets below.

  • Get at em Talib!

  • shm i see it here all the time the relevant word everybody is relevant in this world so don’t tell me this arist aint relevant while you say that he is even if you don’t

  • TheAfroRican

    Well said, Talib.

  • Damany G

    This guy “Angel” has no point here. There is a time and a place for all different type of music, depending on what your mood is or the mind frame of where you are, at any given moment…. Angel is a fraud!!

  • swift

    well I guess twitter is good for something. I think this is a valid discussion. Id like it to go on further. but they beat the complex mag dude up so bad. there are all kinds of Hip hip. dont down one flavor for another.

  • Yea ,,,,,, ANGEL > YOU FUCKED UP ON THIS ONE !

    • that dude

      Funny he never responded to Kweli, tho?

      • Angel Diaz

        i did. and I’m 32

      • that dude

        Where, and what does your age have to do with what I said? There are a bunch of other people posting the I’m sure you need to address before addressing my little comment. I see you!!

      • Angel Diaz

        i went back and forth with Talib all night

      • yup

  • KevinOuarde

    Angel had a valid point about so-called ”purists” always downplaying new era rappers. People automatically diss Future for his rhymes but tend to forget that ODB was freestyling and wildin out in the booth for example.

    The problem is the off beat remark he made about Talib. Thats an insult.

    • Mrs. Davis804

      You cant compare. Especially if the qualifications aint the same.

      • KevinOuarde

        Elaborate on the qualifications please.

      • Mrs. Davis804

        You spoke of one in your post. Freestyling..But ODB knew the difference. Now its about convincing the people that its music, instead of them already knowing. Thats why it was imperative that the South switch from “Cell Therapy” to “Laffy Taffy”. So image trumped actual qualifications because they are selling lifestyles. What you saw is what you got with ODB. He was himself, not what numbers dictated him to be.

      • KevinOuarde

        Ok thats a valid point. You know your hip hop well miss. What you listening to recently?

      • Mrs. Davis804

        Berlioz, Prodigy, Alicia Myers, Leontyne Price, Frankie B n Maze, Dipset, D.O.C, and Shawnna. Depends though.

      • KevinOuarde

        Damn thats some deep variety!

      • Mrs. Davis804

        Thanks. I like good music. Always have, always will.

      • Mrs. Davis804

        My hip hop is still here, but everybody isnt cut from the same cloth.

    • swift

      but Angel downplayed 2 members of a similar field of rap to try big up his taste at the moment.-same thing. I dont get the ODB Future comparison at all.

      • KevinOuarde

        It was in comparison of their akward styles they have. People who praises ODB for his unique and weird style will discredit Future for his own unique syle.

      • Angel Diaz

        I didn’t downplay them. I used them as examples. “Purists” always want to listen to super lyrical miracle rap 24/7. At parties, bars, cookouts, etc. And when you want to listen to Future or Young Thug they judge you and say that’s not that real shit. It’s corny. I used to be one of those guys. Stop being close-minded. I never called Lupe or Talib wack. They look real insecure right now. Most of you guys sound like the people I wrote about. All butthurt for no reason.

  • Black Adam

    Get at em Lupe & Kweli! Someone needs to come over here to ahh and check a few of these clown, always inserting their bs into stories bloggers too.Ijs

  • Obi Won

    Perfectly stated Kweli. The homie Lupe sounds like he needs to get laid.
    But if the Future/Drake collab is garbage to some people, then its garbage. The same was said of Kdot’s TPAB.

    • KevinOuarde

      Yeah Lupe’s repsponse looked too ignorant for the type of rapper he is.

      • Mrs. Davis804

        I dont think it was ignorant. It read like he was speaking from a place of familiarity. That smile in your face type shit..you know the rest.

    • Jahmar

      Lupe doesnt control his twitter anymore that was announced a few months ago

  • Mrs. Davis804

    Well said. They are right about complex.

  • Niggaz is right. And Kweli hit the nail on the head because the way I see it. . . Hip hop and what it should he anymore. These young boys coming out singing and dancing more than anythin . And I know those are 2 sub forms of hip hop but what they are doing is completely different.

    Nothing is planned and out together no more. Niggaz is just getting high coming up with stupid ideas and making songs and paralleling girations wit the beat and looking stupid. Hip hop is more than just the latest catchy phrase. It’s the DJ’S and I would say the journalist too but this site alone shows they really don’t have any credibility anymore.

    All in all. . . I’m all ears for a new sound, but don’t take the culture and twist it up into something it is not. We need to get back to the essence. Music with a message. Shit, even gangsta rap had a message back in the day.

    Point being like he said, stop hiring trend followers. Hire followers of the culture because these are the folks who along with the djs radio, personalities, and bloggers, determine what we gonna hear at the end of the day.

    Sees like every hip hop act has an issue with complex. . .

    • Mrs. Davis804

      YAYY! LOL

    • Nemo hos

      There are dancers and singers/rappers…makers and users…takers and givers…if everyone plays their role then everything will be ok

  • And don’t get me wrong, I listen to all 4 of these artists. . .

    This collaboration tho, thought it would be more to it. But this just sound like 2 niggaz was bored and made a bunch if songs one day and didn’t care what they were saying. A lot of repitition.

    To me it don’t live up to the hype

    • Obi Won

      You & people like u should’ve wrote the review/article. Seeing how u say u listen to all 4, you would give an unbiased statement.

      • Controversy Sells

        I try to listen to as much hip hop (“hip hop”) as possible. Out of all the new garbage I do have a few folks in my playlist along with the likes of old skool, 90s, and early 2000s rappers and mcs. Future, migos, some chief keef, Def no fetty wap tho. But I also have the kendrick, cole, lupe type shit.

        To me it’s all mood music. Bout to turn up. . . Get some migos poppin. Relaxing. . . Some cole. Hard knock economics. . . I’m going 90s NY. Feel like Killin a nigga while I’m cuttin thru the hood. . . Some early jeezy, gucci type shit. Lol

      • Obi Won

        Lol Respect

  • brollya

    Complex been losing ever since dem bum ass niggaz desus and mero had a show…. they said joe budden and j cole was the worst rappers of the year… that’s all they do is start beef wit other rappers …. they was the first niggaz to write and aay they was dissing meek on the tape… niggaz reachin lik a mufucka… they kno i speak the truth too cuz i cant even comment no more on they Facebook page….

  • chosenxeno

    Bodied by a thinking n*gga….lol

  • Refreshing to read Talib tweeting on this subject

  • when did being lyrical become a crime your suppose to have barz thats the most important of being an emcee thats what makes you an emcee only in todays hip hop landscape your criticized for actually being dope because the masses have been brainwashed for the past 15 16 years listening to nursery rhyme bullsh*t about getting money and strip clubs

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  • WeakSauce

    I Fukks with Talib any damn day! And if you all haven’t checked out his free last album “Fkk The Money” you all sleeping on it!

  • Rando

    if you are in your 20s, at least be smart enough not to talk about shit your werent even alive to witness or experience. FOH please. i respect all hip hop artist. the turn up music all sounds the same. migos, future, etc. i respect them but dont care for their music whatsoever.

    here’s an OG rule for ya, write this shit down:

    respect should NEVER be tied to emotion.

  • Brindle

    I never thought a day would come when being truly talented would be looked down upon… Fetty Wap is dropping a 20 song album, are we really in an era where people will listen to 20 songs from a one hit wonder? Understand me, I bump Trap Queen, sing along with it too, I had a girl that used to do dirt with me so I feel him, but 20 songs of that voice is a headway to success now? We need it all, but if we had to get rid of one, the other would fall off… Bloggers like this Angel dude are fools, they get caught up in the moment and then start typing, forced to recall, delete, apologize or defend the ignorance they put out to the masses because they put no thought into what they said in the first place. “I think you can’t play Talib at a BBQ”. You don’t think that, you didn’t think at all, you just expressing words and hoping they make an understandable sentence… but it’s not angel, its a whole era and generation of “do as thou wilt”. Lack of talent gimmicks in music = Ok, Bruce Jenner pretending to be a woman = OK, Amber Rose is having Slut Marches = OK. White people saying nigga = OK (as long as the listen to rap and use an “a” instead of an “er” at the end). The ignorant, the shameless and those of low moral standard have a voice now. It’s loud and it’s called the internet.

    • Larry Sandwiches

      You let white people say that around you? Wow. Not cool bro.

      • Brindle

        learn to read jackass, when did I say that I let whites say that around me… Reading comprehension is a wonderful tool that can open up many doors, you should try it…

      • Larry Sandwiches

        You were listed off a whole bunch of stuff you were okay with. I was alright with everything except you being okay with anyone saying that around you. That dont happen around me bro.

      • Brindle

        I said I was Ok with it? Learn to read… and if you Ok with those things I’m obviously (to the average reader) not cool with, how you put that one over Bruce Jenner. You a homosexual huh?

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Im not a homosexual. I’m not prejudice toward them either. Are you?

      • Brindle

        You haven’t come out yet huh?

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Hahaha. That doesnt bother me like it does you. You shouldnt live your life with so much fear and hate. Call me gay. Call me fag. Call me whatever you want. But dont act all high and mighty about about words people call you. Thats the bitch move right there. Peace pu$$y.

      • Brindle

        what fear/hate? You gays always go that route, along with some other nasty routes, lol. There’s no such thing as homophobic, people are scared of spiders, not homo’s. And what topic did you drift off too, no one called you fag, that’s derogatory, I called you homo. You homo

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Youre obviously prejudiced

      • Brindle

        stop getting all sensitive

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Haha! Not on this forum. Words dont hurt me bruv. Youre my boy regardless. We both like Wu.

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        I’d say it to you and slap the piss out of you just for daring me to. Then i’d stand over you afterwards and tell you i’m not racist because I have black friends. Just to add the most insult to injury. Faggot.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Nope. You wouldnt do any of that.

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        I would just to prove a point. If you don’t want white people to say it, cool. You want to threaten people, that’s different.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        You can say whatever you want. You wouldnt say that to me in person tho.

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        I would. I would stand in front of you and say it. Then i’d apologize for offending the memory of your ancestors and explain that I only said it because I felt forced to and at that point ask if you’d like to fight.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        I promise you, you really wouldnt do any of that. 100% without a doubt fact. People dont do that to me.

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        I swear on everything good and holy in this world that I would put trademarks around your eyes.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Sounds good, buuuuuuut….no….you wouldnt. People are pretty nice to me.

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        That’s because you seem like a nice guy. Respect. But I would still say it to you and we’d have to fight. Afterwards if you wanted to be friends I wouldn’t necessarily object.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        I dont think youd say it to me just to say it. You might smoke a blunt with me though. Listen to some Wutang. Maybe play some FIFA.

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        Blunts and Wu Tang all day long. Madden or 2K though.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Im not really a soccor fan, but FIFA is where its at sports-game-wise. Madden is great too, but I converted over to FIFA around ’03-’04, when everybody started running with Vick on the Falcons and throwing that unstoppable deep corner to TO on the Eagles. Whatever year that was. People were just running the same plays over and over and over again.

      • Forrest and Larry… I LOVE the way that just went down. Respect to both of you.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        And i didnt threaten you

      • Drake’s 3rd best Ghostwriter

        Let ? Like you’d do something about it anyway. I’m white and I never say it because I don’t believe it’s right. If I did say it though I guarantee you would do nothing but take it.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        You wouldnt say it to me. Not in person.

      • Jahmar

        you wouldnt say shit like that to me in person shut up gump

  • Larry Sandwiches

    Thanks Talib. Now, can we get Blackstar 2?

    • STFUUIgnants

      It doesn’t seem like Yasiin Bey is that devoted to making music like he used to. I don’t think anything’s wrong with that, but I hate that him and Andre 3000 aren’t inspired to create albums anymore. Actually a collab between those 2 would be monumental.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Mos is just losin his mind a little bit right now. He’ll be back. I agree that collab would be sick, tho.

  • Dark Matters

    Hip Hop journalism and social media pandering and trolling is slowly murdering the culture. That is quite possibly an understatement. There are a few cats out there (journalists) with the depth of knowledge and intelligence to truly cover and critique the culture (the guys at rapradar come to mind). The rest of these clowns are just “cool kids” trying to fit in with others they perceive to be cool kids.

    I don’t really listen to hip hop any longer, but if I depended on these fools to get my footing on the culture. I would be thoroughly lost. On the other side, if you’re really looking for in depth knowledgeable coverage of the culture you really have to look past most of these popular (even if well funded) outfits.

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  • HIPHOP

    Tell that bitch we don’t mind party music the bitch need to understand tho that we are tired of wack ass turn up music getting more praise then it should that future drake project was not good period it wasn’t even good turn up music one melody ass mixtape

  • Mec-One

    Complex been wack every since they ventured into reporting on hip-hop

  • Malik

    Complex Media is not where you go to for anything Hip-Hop.
    Case in point: the fall from grace of Allhiphop can directly be attributed to Complex Media.
    Don’t believe me, ask Chuck Creekmur.

    And Talib asked a dope question:
    Why is it only on the MCs to rep the culture tho?
    What about DJs? Radio personalities? Journalists? Bloggers?

    **Returns to bumping Scarface’s Deeply Rooted**

    • There is no fall from grace. In fact, grace is why we are still here after 17 years. The artist you bump, I know. The ones you love, respect me. I had a great convo with King Crooked I last night after the Slaughterhouse show. GREAT convo. So, you can have you opinion but the facts tell another story. Don’t ask me a thing. You’re bugging.

      • Angel Diaz

        People forgot about that Jay Elect piece I wrote. And how I cape for him constantly. I just don’t turn my nose up at party/turn up rap.

      • Malik

        And so…?
        That’s what you are supposed to do.
        You require a pat on the back for that?
        You say that like it excuses the gibberish you associated Talib with.

      • Angel Diaz

        everyone isn’t going to agree with me. i’m content with that. and i didn’t disrespect him by saying he raps off beat. E-40 raps off beat and is still a legend.

      • Malik

        What?

        That’s the most disrespectful thing you could ever say to an emcee from that generation (my generation), second only to biting.

        And you are right, we don’t have to agree. Hip-Hop at its core is innately personal, just don’t be disrespectful cuz of the need to fit into a particular crowd.

      • Angel Diaz

        it was my opinion

      • Jahmar

        real bitch ass move Angel respect the roots.. dont be talkin bout these legends sayin they rhyme off beat and be biggin up this new age TRASH! There is good music out there but that drake and future tapes fuckin garbage and you need to have somebody proof read your shit you sound like a moron

      • Angel Diaz

        i big up all of it and just used lupe and talib as examples. you sound like the cats i was talking about.

      • Jahmar

        that tape is trash you and complex are a bunch of herbs lol

      • Angel Diaz

        i’m not even feeling the tape like that and i’m not a Drake fan. everybody making assumptions about me. i struck a chord with all you hotep real rap cornballs. i listen to ignorant and conscience rap.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        You look dumb bro.

      • STFUUIgnants

        You point had some validity but why drop names? You don’t see why they would take offense to that. That makes their potential fans think “Ok, these guys aren’t cool, so I should avoid them.”

      • you shouldve worded it better. you come off as angry. referring to lupe’s and talib’s music as ‘shit’ is gonna earn you a response everytime.

      • Controversy Sells

        Wow. . You clowns really came out go defend yourself? Lmfao. . . Well I’m not gonna disrespect Chuck and call him a clown. I’ve been coming on this site for hip hop since they started. But you my friend. . . Is definitely a clown. I wish this was the 90s when rappers and they crews was still giving out beat downs. Because you deserve it lmao. Your opinion of what’s good/bad music is void. We don’t care what you think from this point on

      • Angel Diaz

        i’m good in the hood. you don’t know me or my past life lol i’m not a scary ass nerd

      • Controversy Sells

        You been studying the book of Weak Mill?

      • Angel Diaz

        i’m neither a fan of meek or drake. that’s where you got me fucked up

      • Controversy Sells

        You’re an idiot

      • Malik

        It’s great you responded, I hope you keep doing that more often but not with any of your aliases but as you.

        And kudos for going 17 years but stop fronting, you aint sh1t like you used to be and you sidestepped the issue I raised pertaining to your relationship with Complex Media.

        You know what I meant when I wrote that; some if not all the malaise visitors to this once glorious website complain about is as a result of your business relationship with Complex.

        You know what I’m talking about.

      • You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. If you did, you would know that the business with Complex is just that business. Its an ad-based sales deal. So anything you feel is your opinion and again you are entitled to that. I sign my own checks either way. Greg and me created something we are proud of and something that’s affected the culture is a positive way, or a negative way – either way -we did something. I love the sideline critic and the hashtag peanut gallery. I appreciate constructive feedback but suggesting Complex is the reason for anything you feel, is off-base. If you don’t like AllHipHop, say that…That’s PEACE. I’m here regardless and so is what I created.

      • Malik

        Your relationship with Complex is not just an ad-based sales deal, nice try.

        Complex Media business model is what drives 80% of your content these days. And that’s why AHH is in the toilet so to speak – I reiterate.

        It isn’t coincidental that every urban culture leaning outlet under the Complex umbrella follows a similar content format. It’s so formulaic to a fault, it bothers nausea.

        From being an informative, hyperactive Hip-Hop culture-centered outlet, I’ve painfully watched AHH steady decline in ROBUST content.

        Quote: “If you don’t like AllHipHop, say that…”

        I wouldn’t be caught dead critiquing something I have the least amount of affection for.

      • That’s not true.

      • Larry Sandwiches

        Name dropping?? Really? You dont gotta do that man. The dude is a visitor to your site. Thats proof to your point enough.

      • chosenxeno

        #BODIED

    • STFUUIgnants

      EVERYONE that complains about the lack of quality rap/hip hop should have SCARFACE’S *DEEPLY ROOTED* or else STFU!

  • that dude

    That site is vintage…..I go there a lot. A lot of dope interviews and music.

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  • Thanks for putting me on.

  • Ipullcards

    If you hear it, than listen.. And you still like it.. Than why does it matter? Why do ppl feel the need to defend their stance and attempt to shade the counter? That’s hate & insecurity

  • CodyGat

    Lupe Fiasshole.

  • Big_Chill

    How I’m on it

  • Papi Peligro

    Who plays HARD CORE rap at their FAMILY BBQ. Come on dawg. At the BBQ you would play Talib and Lupe. You might play future and Drake Radio edits. You not playing them winey cuts. Nobody playing no NWA F the police unless you at a Teenagers early 20’sparty.

  • AceAndADeuce

    I like Lupe Fiasco’s music but I also like Drake and Future’s music too. The problem is that the music industry promotes the heck of guys like Drake, Future, Migos, Rae Sremmurd but never promote guys like Lupe Fiasco, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique etc. Can’t blame Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli for going off on Angel Diaz.

  • Slaughtr

    Fck that bytch who in the fck wants to hear weak ass rappers and the same beats. She is the type of person that leads the downfall of hip hop. Get some fckn integrity and maybe if its provocative enough I might listen.

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