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Five and Done: Fat Joe 
Published Monday, January 14, 2008 8:00 AM
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Five and Done; quick questions to keep it moving before a full fledged interview on this here site. We caught up with Fat Joe while he was in NYC's Chung King Studios, playing his new album, The Elephant in the Room, set to drop March 11. "The room is Hip-Hop," said Joe Crack regarding the album's title, while also going as far to say, "My new gimmick is trying to make street records big." With the album featuring production from Danja Hands, LV and DJ Premier, Joe kept his word. Look out for an album preview soon, but for now, here's The Bronx bred rapper's take on five or so topics.


On his new gimmick—making street records big…

"You know when you hear an album, especially a New York artist’s album, we love the underground s**t but it don’t sound big, like a movie. Ya know what I'm saying? We try to take all of our songs and turn them into movies; an anthem. It's not thin. I don't know if I can desribe it better to you. Just take it and make it bigger. You get a guy’s album and he’s just rhyming to some samples and it just ain’t going anywhere. We want to take street s**t that n****s love and turn them into anthems."


On balancing the wants of fans that like the singing (read: lead single "I Won't Tell" f/ J. Holiday) versus those that want hardcore ish…


"Give them a hell of a hit record out the box. And then you give them a “300” and a “The Crack House” and everybody...the drugs is on the street. There’s nothing you can do about it."

On Big Pun still not getting his proper due…


http://allhiphop.com/photos/blog_pictures/images/19133435/secondarythumb.aspx"He doesn’t. He’s the best lyricist ever in the game of Hip-Hop, if you ask me. If you put him on paper, black & white, he’s the best lyricist in the game ever. Honestly, I don’t know what else to tell y’all. I hear his s**t, and I was there when he recorded it and I still don’t know half the s**t he said…

"I ain’t saying cats is biting his flow, I’m just saying a lot of cats is influenced by his flow. I never even wanted to spit that flow because I didn’t want people to say I was biting or trying to be like Pun. Then I seen it so accepted, I might as well go in."


On splitting home bases between The BX and MI Yayo…

"I live in New York, and Miami as well. Two weeks here, two weeks there. I love Miami but New York’s my home. [Living in Miami] allows me to be free. If you notice I make different kind of music because I be out there. Here [NYC] I feel like we all trapped in a bubble up here man. It’s repetitious. Turn on the mixshow tonight, turn it on tomorrow, every n***a saying the same shit, they’re not expanding, they’re not making it crazier. So I gotta go down there to just feel free."


On whether he would go back to a major label…


"Never, no way, are you kidding me?! You want me to go back to slavery? Are you nuts? It’s a long story short man; I sold two million records on a major label and turned around twice, not once, twice and never seen a royalty in my life. There’s n****s that sell four million and don’t see a royalty. It’s funny math when you f**k with the majors. It’s real funny math. They give you 18 points [but] every dollar they ever spent—marketing, whatever or their event—comes out of your 18 points. What happens to the 82 points?! So then the artists turns around he sells a million records, they made six and a half million dollars off of him. And he’s lucky if they give him a half a million as an advance towards his new album, which is really half a million off the six and a half million they just made off the n***a. Please!"





Comments

 

CrunkytonkMan said:

Interesting that Joey knows the math on majorlabel releases, yet he was the one dropped from a major label not vice versa.
January 14, 2008 8:12 AM
 

ShoTay said:

I fucks wit Joey new shit. 300, Crack House and I Won't Tell iz hot. album should b good
January 14, 2008 8:22 AM
 

Mace_windont said:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
January 14, 2008 8:37 AM
 

Water Ur Seeds said:

joe iz cool, i jst hope he dont say 'joey cook crack the don' every other verse
January 14, 2008 8:41 AM
 

jaeda said:

This nigga rapes every artist that signs with him.....just ask Remy and Cuban linx.....SMH
January 14, 2008 8:46 AM
 

baltimoreson3000 said:

Joe is whack..Pun was great...but not the greatest ever...I agree with Joe on the majors though..it's highway robbery....plus he dont sell shit so he'd never make any money on a major
January 14, 2008 9:00 AM
 

jc 50th said:

Wack joe been fell off.....dude's a sell out...and now he's stealing tracks from other people...He stole that 300 song from my boys in jersey...listen for yourself...my boys dropped this track like 2 months ago...and now joe wana put out the same exact track under his name...f*** that....get you own style joe...GDG...keep doin your thing fellas...201.. jersey all day

Listen and judge for yourself
January 14, 2008 9:45 AM
 

Oye Bang! said:

That's why a nigga on a independent who sell 100,000 could make more money than a nigga on a major who go platinum! You gotta get in them numbers!
January 14, 2008 9:53 AM
 

D RTHA said:

JOE IS A LEGEND! FROM THE DAYS OF D.I.T.C. TO PRESENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CAN'T WAIT TO COP THE NEW ALBUM

CHECK HIM OUT IN THE BOOK  "THE FAMILY II: LIFE AFTER DEATH"  BY ANTONNE JONES @ BOOKSTORES EVRYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WWW.THEFAMILYTHEBOOK.COM

PLUS HE DOWN WITH PHILLY (TIERRA COLOMBIANA)

"SOUTH PHILLY ALL DAY"
January 14, 2008 10:17 AM
 

odeisel said:

i was never a fan of fat joe, but i cna admit over th epast couple years he's had some really strong records.  At this point, anyone with a good record gets my support.
January 14, 2008 10:29 AM
 

Cabana da Don said:

I respect this nigga kind of like a paradox because I alos respect cuban links.
January 14, 2008 10:31 AM
 

BKsDrDRE said:

JC 50th

That idea came from Joel Ortiz and Saigon...."Black Spartans"
January 14, 2008 10:43 AM
 

Token said:

I respect the fact that Joe understands the business behind his music. There are a lot of rappers who are clearly in it for the fame and the women. I think that line of thinking is stupid as hell, but to each his or her own. Crack House is pretty damn wack, but 300 and the joint with J.Holiday are album worthy.
January 14, 2008 11:22 AM
 

Mr Get Right said:

I think some of y'all missed the entire point of what Mr. Crack said.

Look @ 18 points as meaning 18% of the money made off record sales, with the company keeping the other 82%.

You recieved an advance, a recording budget and a promotional budget (which is open ended), all of which must be repaid to the company before you begin to see your 18% cut; meanwhile the company sees their 82% (really 100%) from day one. So lets say your album doesn't perform well by major label standards, and the label "loses" money; well they will just give you another advance and budget (placing you further in debt to them.) So your second album performs better, but now you owe from this album, plus the first album. Then, for good or bad, once you have a hit record, the label pours even more money into the promotion of your record placing most artists in a unrecoupable position. The record company, however, continues to make millions off of these so called "underperforming records".

When y'all say that Fat Joe and Camron ain't sellin', or watchin 50 Cent sell 700,000 copies in one week and calling it a failure, I believe that you are only echoing what you hear in the media and are not making your own opinion on matters; and this is the exact reason why none of us are on like the folks we keep hating on.

See, y'all look at Koch as a bad deal because 50 said it was a bad deal. But, Koch would be a bad deal for 50! what better deal do y'all have?

The only reason 50 was signed to a major is because he was sellin' in the 100,000 - 200,000 range independently...duh

Also, with an independent label, sales of 100,000 - 200,000 units are seen as big successes, the deals are better, and you have a better chance of recouping and making a decent, maybe really good living off of your craft.

I mean let's face it, everybody is not going to get insanely rich and famous, but if the consumer would begin to like music because they like it, not because everyone else likes it; everybody could get there's. We can be the ones who help change the behavior.

Do you think "Lean Back" was a big record ?
What about "Make It Rain" ?
Look back in his catalog even further...This guy has moved units!

Fat Joe doesn't have to change, the industry does...

visit http://hoodcheck.net
January 14, 2008 11:35 AM
 

DIORLETSGO said:

I like Fat Joe, Joe will always sell records because Hispanic people are known for sicking together..Hispanics will support his stuff..Black people are the ones to worry about "50" black people are always quick to accuse someone of hating on them , yet still they are the first ones to hate on others..
January 14, 2008 11:54 AM
 

Krow132 said:

Enough of the Lame collabs with Lil Wayne and Miami niggas and stick to the shit that makes Fat Joe...Fat Joe. His last album was damn good with the exception of make it rain.
January 14, 2008 12:20 PM
 

IronHorse said:

^maaaan you got your opinion and all that and I also aint 1 for no internet piss match, but go somewhere with that black people hate on each other bullshit. Your swimming in the deep end of the pool...before you start with the garbage work on your own people and getting your own back yard corrected, that goes for every single race. Your shit stinks just like mine jose....
January 14, 2008 12:21 PM
 

Krow132 said:

I was visiting boston last summer and I saw prospect visiting a hospital in Boston with this chick lookin like hes just getting by while Fat Joe is riding yachts in Miami. He mad abandoned them niggas
January 14, 2008 12:28 PM
 

kenny1234 said:

fat joe wash up every song he be on sound like he force it
January 14, 2008 12:51 PM
 

da bul Reef said:

@Jaeda
BOUT TIME U GOT A NEW HAT, NORTH PHILLY STAND UP.

@OYE BANG
ITS STILL FUCK U NIGGA!!!!
January 14, 2008 12:54 PM
 

kingJaffeJoe said:

I respect Fat Joe cause he put out good music and has made a lot of great records. His last record was really strong and a lot of people slept on it. Fat Joe said it best (Jealous ones Still Envy)
January 14, 2008 12:55 PM
 

college almost-dropout said:

im watchin Joe... lets see if u can come back 2 your original self and do the mainstream thing...
January 14, 2008 12:59 PM
 

Oye Bang! said:

Reef it's always been FUCK YOU BITCH!
January 14, 2008 1:30 PM
 

MACCAPONE said:

fat joe is a cool persons.......


MySpace URL:  

 http://www.myspace.com/maccapone1  


January 14, 2008 1:30 PM
 

baltimoreson3000 said:

@mr. getright..i agree with u...ur actually making the same point I did..u get better deals with Koch and the indies.....but its a double edge sword...niggas go to indies, sell few records and make a little more money...but if they could sell records for real, they'd make money on majors...joe is whack..lean back was a cool song...but remy outshined him on his own shit..make it rain was hot ONLY cuz of wayne's hook..his biggest hit was with R. Kelly and thats ONLY cuz R. was on there..now he fucking with the miami cats..that still aint going to help...joe has sold a couple million records but thats all of his projects combined...he's a mediocre rapper and he needs the waynes, and R's on his shit to get the hot singles..fact of the matter is, he'd prolly never sign w/ another major becuz another major (thats smart) would never give him a deal
January 14, 2008 1:40 PM
 

curtis75black said:

I have always been a fan since "represent". That cat has been one of the realest emcee's to drop. I don't care about his beef with former members and his style change. If the man keeps it real within himself, I'm all for it!! Its about the music not personality!!!
January 14, 2008 1:48 PM
 

RLM $Getmoney$ said:

I can't stand fat Joe man.

www.myspace.com/hustlegrindgetmoney
January 14, 2008 2:01 PM
 

Crof21siny said:

I agree with Krow Joe's last cd was hot. He puts out a lot of stuff thats not radio friendly that bangs.
January 14, 2008 2:02 PM
 

MackSwami said:

Joey Crack one of the realest this rap game ever seen!!!!!!!!!
Real recognize real!!!!!!!!!

RIP PUN
January 14, 2008 3:29 PM
 

Code of Iron said:

jc 50th said:
Wack joe been fell off.....dude's a sell out...and now he's stealing tracks from other people...He stole that 300 song from my boys in jersey...listen for yourself...my boys dropped this track like 2 months ago...and now joe wana put out the same exact track under his name...f*** that....get you own style joe...GDG...keep doin your thing fellas...201.. jersey all day

Listen and judge for yourself  



nigga stop hatin. whenever a dude try to get money theres always a roach in the woodwork tryin to get a crumb i aint a fat joe fan but i am a fan of smart niggas and joe is a smart nigga. if the niggas under him was smart they woundnt have gotten raped. so what if he jacked your peoples music (he probably didnt) if your crew was so hot. their shit would already be poppin and if they were smart, their shit would be copywritten and protected. long story short, you lost, joe won, keep ypur wack music in your grandmoms basement next time. fuck you and gdg. myspace thugs. nigga please
January 14, 2008 3:38 PM
 

VOICEBOX THE AFFILIATE said:

he got the formula...he just is still wack... he surrounded with niggaz that make his songs hot...every song that has been hot....he has someone else there.... make it rain... this shit we checking out now...he said himself he wack when he first came out...not much has changed...then he wants to beef with 50...dude even lean back ...you needed people on there... you had a hot verse... but the verse can not stand alone.......Khalid watch the fuck out...
January 14, 2008 3:52 PM
 

jaeda said:

@da bul Reef

I bet you use to spend the night at micheal's Neverland ranch all the time. BITCH!
January 14, 2008 4:30 PM
 

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January 14, 2008 4:39 PM
 

tupacfan35 said:

I agree with Joe on the majors though..it's highway robbery....

Even Former TS Rapper triple seis said the same thing, he also said he never wanted to be mainstream in the first place.
January 14, 2008 5:12 PM
 

tupacfan35 said:

I was visiting boston last summer and I saw prospect visiting a hospital in Boston with this chick lookin like hes just getting by while Fat Joe is riding yachts in Miami. He mad abandoned them niggas

that's because geddy and prospect have been lazy bums in TS all these years, especially prospect who's been the laziest, it wasn't joe's fault, it was their own fault
and seis refused to become mainstream.
while Seis thankfully left TS and mainstream rap for good, his sad c*nt cuban link sure didn't.

Link should have left with seis after pun died, but nooooo, he just stayed, if link should he his released independently, none of this would have happened.
January 14, 2008 5:16 PM
 

crooked wild said:

I respect this guy his new songs are sure better then that whole album he released last year
January 14, 2008 5:54 PM
 

Cholo1510 said:

I really liked his last album, Me, Myself and I....Wow there are a lot of haters on this site...I don't understand these people on the interent...Anyways should have your respect he been real...Need Proof...Go all the way back to "Flow Joe" from Represent or "Breathe And Stop " from his last album....
January 14, 2008 6:46 PM
 

daz156 said:

joe been down since way back and he still makes himself relevant, i will support dude on every album he drops, from solo to TS to DITC, he also gave Preemo money to start Year Round, and to the Don Cartagena haters eat a dick, Cuban, Seis etc proved they were not smart enough to be in the music "business", Geddy got mad talent but he aint put in the work, if he did i would cop his shit but i aint hear nothin in how long from him,
and to the dude who said he got outshined on his own song "Lean Back", please, it wasnt his song it was Terror Squad and if Joe hadnt been on it, it wouldnt have been a hit, he didnt get outshined, i'd say it was more a shock that remy ripped it, but listen to the lyrics and tell me who shone, but thats my opinion....
and he didnt sart the beef with 50, 50 just a jealous bitch who cold not stand the fact that Joe was gettin all the shine and attention with Lean Back, and all he could say had any weight was the fact that Joe was fat, like really 50 - its in his fuckin name you steroid abuser, at least Joe ok with his body (no homo) whereas you need to stick needles in your ass to appeal to 14 year old girls....

Represent - Hip Hop Classic
Jealous One's Envy - Hip Hop Classic
Don Cartagena - Hip Hop Classic
January 14, 2008 7:04 PM
 

tupacfan35 said:

joe been down since way back and he still makes himself relevant, i will support dude on every album he drops, from solo to TS to DITC, he also gave Preemo money to start Year Round, and to the Don Cartagena haters eat a dick, Cuban, Seis etc proved they were not smart enough to be in the music "business", Geddy got mad talent but he aint put in the work, if he did i would cop his shit but i aint hear nothin in how long from him,
and to the dude who said he got outshined on his own song "Lean Back", please, it wasnt his song it was Terror Squad and if Joe hadnt been on it, it wouldnt have been a hit, he didnt get outshined, i'd say it was more a shock that remy ripped it, but listen to the lyrics and tell me who shone, but thats my opinion....
and he didnt sart the beef with 50, 50 just a jealous bitch who cold not stand the fact that Joe was gettin all the shine and attention with Lean Back, and all he could say had any weight was the fact that Joe was fat, like really 50 - its in his fuckin name you steroid abuser, at least Joe ok with his body (no homo) whereas you need to stick needles in your ass to appeal to 14 year old girls....

Daz, You speak the truth here.
January 14, 2008 7:51 PM
 

slang187 said:

 
co-sign baltimoreson3000 !!!

for all you guys that say Joe has more money than Banks or whatever, Joe says he sold 2 million (LOL) and that mark IS Combined!!!

Banks has Sold 20 Million records Combined !!!

and yeah, Joe has more money, yeah right.... LOL
January 14, 2008 9:29 PM
 

smooth4949 said:

Y'all cant F wit Joe.  His lyrical game is tight and he doesnt have to rely on gimmicks like sex to sell records.  50, Timbaland and Dre need to stop mobbin with Clemens and leave the steroids alone.

BX all day son.
January 14, 2008 10:09 PM
 

poe said:

January 15, 2008 4:25 AM
 

Boss Up said:

never can respect Fat Joe i don't' care how long he's been in the game i don't like his music
January 15, 2008 10:05 AM
 

Mace_windont said:

fat joe is a walking cliche,
January 15, 2008 10:45 AM
 

whackrapper sniper said:

First and foremost i been an avid reader to all guys blogs and finally got signed up. i greatly appreciate all over you guys opinions and such. Now lets move on to this fat greedy bastard. Fat joe is one selfish, greedy, insecure bastard. He messed up alot of peoples careers just so he could get to where he wish he could be. Tony sunshine, a remarkable voice and singing ability but joe didnt take time to put him out cause he is trying to recoupe all that advance money the majors gave to him. Remy Martin, One again he failed to put her out when she was on top of the game with the ante up remix. he fucked his sales and rushed his album out right after the terror squad album trying to recoupe all those predicted sales from that lean back album.

He messes up these artist careers by not putting thme out in a timely matter when they got a hit on the radio. And just to show how much of a bitch dude is when he released Remy Martin there is a clause in her contract she cant sign to g unit within the next 2 years. Insecure rappers i tell ya. And now he jacking lil weezy flow lol this dude is a fraud. Once again im glad to be part of this family and looking forward to more blogs. (Boss up) much respect love ur opinions.
January 15, 2008 11:56 AM
 

edit said:

Fat Joe is the don! Much respect for him, done been in the game like 15 years now.

And to whoever said he rapes his artists...HA they actually have to have talent in order for that to happen and Remy and Cuban got none of that.


http://www.lilweezy.info
January 15, 2008 12:03 PM
 

mistacofe said:

@slang187

Dude, you know absolutely nothing. Lloyd Banks hasnt reached the 2 million mark yet in album sales..."The Hunger For More" went Platinum, while his last album has yet to reach Gold Status yet. (The SINGLE "On Fire" went gold)... Even if you want to say "well he is a part of G-Unit", okayl, then their album is 2X Platinum...so that would give Lloyd Banks 3 million... 3 does NOT equal 20 homie...

And every one talking "Joe raped this person" Joe ruined that person's career", Fat Joe didn't have the ultimate authority in terms of releasing records. His label was a subsidiary of Major labels (Atlantic, Universal, etc) that had the final say in who got released, when they got released, how much budget they would have, etc.

Do you homework. Use the internet for more the RUMORS and BLOGS
January 15, 2008 1:05 PM
 

charlotte hustler said:

fat joe is of NO substance.
January 15, 2008 2:26 PM
 

deeznutz187 said:

Boss Up said:
never can respect Fat Joe i don't' care how long he's been in the game i don't like his music

i'll cosign dat nigga sucks he waz never nice n never will b
January 15, 2008 2:31 PM
 

deeznutz187 said:

smooth4949 said:
Y'all cant F wit Joe.  His lyrical game is tight and he doesnt have to rely on gimmicks like sex to sell records.  50, Timbaland and Dre need to stop mobbin with Clemens and leave the steroids alone.

BX all day son.

wut lyrical game???? n dre waz not apart of the steroids probe so get ya facts str8 genius

n itz BK all day
January 15, 2008 2:50 PM
 

deeznutz187 said:

@ edit
remy got way more talent den fat joe
January 15, 2008 2:57 PM
 

tupacfan35 said:

Remy Martin there is a clause in her contract she cant sign to g unit within the next 2 years. Insecure rappers i tell ya. And now he jacking lil weezy flow lol this dude is a fraud. Once again im glad to be part of this family and looking forward to more blogs. (Boss up) much respect love ur opinions.

that's because this trashy idiotic brand called gay-unit has messed up people's careers just as much, game exposed them for the snakes they truly are and remy's nothing but hip-hop prostitute for big pun, if it wasn't for pun beating up his wife over the years, none of this would have happen and sunshine is a lazy man, he just can't work.

No Wonder music sucks ass today.
January 15, 2008 5:13 PM
 

smooth4949 said:

Did you see Dre at the MTV Video Awards last yr?  U cant tell me he's not on the juice.  

Da real is that none of the rappers named in this entire column have any original flow - Joe, Remy, the whole Terror Squad, G-Unit, Weezy, etc. etc.  They're all derivative of NWA.  Dre may be putting needles in his ass but he started this whole gangsta sh*t.  Too bad hip hop has been staler than a mutha since the mid 90s.  You can thank Puffy for that.

Whatever happened to The Roots???
January 15, 2008 9:04 PM
 

GhostShell said:

ITS SO funny people calling him a legend. ROFL? What has he done? his garbage lyricly I mean man shit is so wacckkk and his a bitch that wouldn't let his crew eat for years. He aint no street nigga, no street nigga fucks with him, he's a pussy only reason people know him is cause of pun. Without pun people would be like wowwwwwwww wack as fuck
January 15, 2008 9:21 PM
 

slang187 said:

@mistacofe

I said the units were combined ok? so has for Joe! Banks has been involved in most of all albums since 50 blew the fuck up in 03 and THAT combined in sales go up to 20 million records! Do your own hw! 50 criticized Nas for not pushin his QB boys when they had the hit for "Hoochie wally" and the same Fat has been doing all this years! Muthafuck is Insecure!

"Joe has received criticism for releasing only one solo album by a former Terror Squad member, Remy Ma, as well as barely featuring original members Prospect and Armageddon on "True Story." Terror Squad singer Tony Sunshine has had possible album release dates pushed back over three years, and Joe had stated that artists Prospect and Armageddon have not released solo albums yet as the result of them being "really lazy".[15]

Former Terror Squad member Triple Seis also went on record when asked who had written Fat Joe's lyrics, stating that he and Pun were Joe's ghostwriters, and asserts that Joe continues to hire ghostwriters."
January 15, 2008 9:29 PM
 

Fat Joe says Pun is the best lyricist...EVER. - Rap GodFathers Community said:

January 15, 2008 9:47 PM
 

Fat Joe says Pun is the best lyricist...EVER. - Rap GodFathers Community said:

January 15, 2008 11:21 PM
 

FILTHYMCNASTY said:

Joe just like any other artist some shit cool some shit not. It's crazy that there are all these posts about Joe not releasing TS members albums but if they ain't putting in work then why invest money in some shit that ain't selling. Everybody posting that bullshit about Joe need to just stop hating for the sake of hating. If y'all loved the TS members so much why Cuban Links CD go triple wood? Then which one of yall gone really go spend money to get a Prospect, Armegeddon, or Tony Sunshine CD? GTFOH, y'all trippin.
January 16, 2008 5:02 AM
 

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January 16, 2008 8:15 AM
 

c.los305 said:

@ spate magazine
how u saying fat joe is that dude and u got a pic with my man fifty, u crazy. Fat joe is wack that negga there think he raw but naa. Pun was raw but fat hoe sucks. joe do me a favor dog and stop repping my city u aint from the 305 homie. fake ass fat hoe fuck that negga.
January 18, 2008 12:24 PM
 

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